He lost this case, this is all about the consequences. This judge already ordered the businesses shut down. I think another judge stalled that, but I’m not positive. We are seeing actual things in this trial which is why I post it.
Depending on the rico charges, he could also be in jail. He’d probably get the same conditions as Epstein did when he was sent to jail the first time (not the last one), but still.
Trump will never be put in general population, his Secret Service detail will not allow him to be anywhere they can’t maintain control.
Trump is going to end his days on house arrest in a shitty military barracks with no internet connection. Same if he’s actually jailed for contempt. There is already precedence for this w/ Nixon’s lawyer.
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. You’re right, he won’t be put in the general population. Even if we don’t care about actually protecting him, we, as a country, do have an interest in protecting the secrets that he knows. Even if he rarely read and barely listened, he still managed to pick up some of our most sensitive secrets and we don’t want those getting out.
If he’s convicted, he’s going to be on some form of house arrest, not to protect him but to protect everyone else.
I disagree — the gag order was smart. It’s vastly easier for the judge to immediately punish someone for violating a gag order with one in place than without — as we’ve seen, the judge has been able to levy penalties with only a 10 minute hearing.
Yes, so far those penalties have been minimal — but they build and increase. It’s certainly not unusual for a judge to ramp up the penalties to give the defendant time to clean up their act — but every judges patience eventually wears thin if their orders keep getting violated. These orders are only meaningful if they’re backed up by something, and I don’t think any judge wants to be known as the one that lets defendants safely ignore their orders.
The judge is playing it smart, and is using a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer. If Trump continues to decide to try to skirt the order I suspect the penalties will start ramping up into serious territory (including incarceration) very, very quickly.
Violations of this gag order also lends credibility to other judges’ orders regarding gag orders and their penalties. If Trump has a documented history of violating gag orders in this case, judges in other cases can levy harsher penalties with less likelihood of them being scrutinized and overturned.
The judge is just hoping he stops. Trump got plenty of warning before the gag order and now knows it’s just fines for violations. Maybe at some point actual consequences happen, but it’s been awful slow.
I disagree, he had to do something and didn’t want to be the first judge to put Trump in jail which would probably trigger his followers to do stuff. I think they’re walking that thin line. I wish it was more, but it it’s something and all of the judges that aren’t corrupt will build on it.
He lost this case, this is all about the consequences. This judge already ordered the businesses shut down. I think another judge stalled that, but I’m not positive. We are seeing actual things in this trial which is why I post it.
Edit: They appealed the case and they put a temp ban on breaking up the businesses until they make a ruling, which could take a year. https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-appeals-court-pauses-breakup-trump-businesses-during-civil-fraud-trial-2023-10-06/
It was stalled because the first Judge didn’t have a full list of Trump businesses.
Part of the fraud was the Trump org hiding assets all over the place, and the judge who halted the disbandment wanting to get them all.
That’s excellent news.
So you’re saying trump could lose the election and his businesses next YEAR AND THEN WE STILL HAVE XMAS TO LOOK FORWARD TO?!?!
2024 GON BE LIT!
Depending on the rico charges, he could also be in jail. He’d probably get the same conditions as Epstein did when he was sent to jail the first time (not the last one), but still.
Trump will never be put in general population, his Secret Service detail will not allow him to be anywhere they can’t maintain control.
Trump is going to end his days on house arrest in a shitty military barracks with no internet connection. Same if he’s actually jailed for contempt. There is already precedence for this w/ Nixon’s lawyer.
I honestly don’t know if you’re correct or not, I don’t think this has been tested before since he’s a former president.
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He won’t go to a prison at all.
Yeah. I mean, it’s the hard-earned pessimism talking but there is zero, zero chance of that.
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. You’re right, he won’t be put in the general population. Even if we don’t care about actually protecting him, we, as a country, do have an interest in protecting the secrets that he knows. Even if he rarely read and barely listened, he still managed to pick up some of our most sensitive secrets and we don’t want those getting out.
If he’s convicted, he’s going to be on some form of house arrest, not to protect him but to protect everyone else.
The case has consequences, the gag order is and was dumb.
I disagree — the gag order was smart. It’s vastly easier for the judge to immediately punish someone for violating a gag order with one in place than without — as we’ve seen, the judge has been able to levy penalties with only a 10 minute hearing.
Yes, so far those penalties have been minimal — but they build and increase. It’s certainly not unusual for a judge to ramp up the penalties to give the defendant time to clean up their act — but every judges patience eventually wears thin if their orders keep getting violated. These orders are only meaningful if they’re backed up by something, and I don’t think any judge wants to be known as the one that lets defendants safely ignore their orders.
The judge is playing it smart, and is using a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer. If Trump continues to decide to try to skirt the order I suspect the penalties will start ramping up into serious territory (including incarceration) very, very quickly.
Violations of this gag order also lends credibility to other judges’ orders regarding gag orders and their penalties. If Trump has a documented history of violating gag orders in this case, judges in other cases can levy harsher penalties with less likelihood of them being scrutinized and overturned.
The judge is just hoping he stops. Trump got plenty of warning before the gag order and now knows it’s just fines for violations. Maybe at some point actual consequences happen, but it’s been awful slow.
I disagree, he had to do something and didn’t want to be the first judge to put Trump in jail which would probably trigger his followers to do stuff. I think they’re walking that thin line. I wish it was more, but it it’s something and all of the judges that aren’t corrupt will build on it.