• BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf
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    Idk where you heard that is what fascism is… The 14 tenets of ur-fascism:

    1. The cult of tradition. This is the belief that the truth is already known once and for all. Fascists believe there is no need to advance in learning.

    2. The rejection of modernism. Fascists reject the Enlightenment and its evidence-based rationality. The cult of action for action’s sake. Fascist leaders act impulsively, without thinking or planning ahead.

    3. No analytical criticism. Fascists ignore nuance and see any disagreement as treasonous.

    4. Fear of difference. Fascists fear diversity. Thus they are racist by definition.

    5. Appeal to a frustrated middle class. An economically frustrated and/or politically marginalized middle class is easy to stir to anger.

    6. Obsession with a plot. Because the followers must be made to feel besieged, an internal “enemy” is provided: 7.

    7. Immigrants, Muslims, Hispanics, Blacks. (Historically the Jews were often made to be “the enemy.”)

    8. Anti-elitism. The followers are made to feel humiliated by the wealth and strength of the educated “elite.” This is used to create resentment.

    9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. Fascists believe that life is permanent warfare. Therefore a desire for peace is treasonous.

    10. Contempt for the weak. A fascist leader despises his underlings, who in turn despise those under them. They all either mock or ignore the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

    11. The cult of heroism. The Fascist is eager to die a hero’s death. In his impatience, he frequently sends other people to their deaths.

    12. Machismo. Fascists show disdain for women, disregard for chastity, and condemnation of homosexuality.

    13. Selective populism. Under fascism, the “voice of the people” is not the democratic majority, but only the voices of those who support the leader.

    14. Ur-fascism speaks Newspeak. Just as in Orwell’s 1984, Fascists use an impoverished vocabulary and an elementary syntax to limit complex and critical reasoning.

    And yes, of course it sounds like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager, becauses they’re fascists. By definition. They are fascists.

    Edit: spelling and formatting

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      Idk where you heard that is what fascism is… 14 tenets of ur-fascism

      It is my personal belief that the only possible way to interpret the ideology someone espouses is to look at what they actually say about it. If you want to define Marxism, look at how Marx defined it. If you want to define Monetarism, look at how Milton Friedman defined it. If you want to define Nazism, look at how the Nazis defined it. And, if you want to define Fascism look at how Mussolini defined it. Obviously, the Nazis, nor the Fascists actually followed entirely what they espoused but I’d still say you can only analyze the ideology based on what they actually advocated rather than what they did. If you want to analyze them as people, or as a successful state- look at what they did.

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        The tenets of ur-fascism were developed by studying the ACTIONS of the fascists. Exactly what you claim you need to do.

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          No I said you need to do the opposite. The fascist ideology is what they espouse. If they don’t follow what they espouse than they are acting against the ideology they espouse. Maybe they have some crypto-ideology.

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            You’re right, I misread. So, you think that fascists can only be fascist if they admit to it? So the Nazis weren’t fascists then, according to your definition. Only Mussolini was a fascist, by that standard. It’s a really bad standard if so, because you’d be literally the only person on the planet that doesn’t think the Nazis are fascists other than other Nazis. Hitler didn’t go up on stage and say “IM A FASCIST.” So, by your standards, he clearly cannot be a fascist. Maybe he’s a crypto fascist…

            Your definition makes literally no sense whatsoever.

            Either way, I don’t think you have a solid grasp on political theory or of ideology in general. Most people are unaware of their own ideology, that is how ideology works… ideology is the small lies you tell yourself that make the world go around. The lies you’ve taken as facts to make life easier. Even sentences like, “this chicken is worth $10” reflect internalized ideology. We all hold many ideologically driven positions, and unless you personally take the time to examine your own actions and thoughts, you’re likely to be unaware of them.

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        The tenets of ur-fascism were developed by studying the ACTIONS of the fascists. Exactly what you claim you need to do. If you do that, you see the Nazis fit all 14 of these, as do most modern American neo-conservatives.