• hark@lemmy.world
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    The only answer that democrats have: “Who else are you going to vote for – Trump? 😏”

    This is why the US will inevitably slide into fascism. You’ve got a party of fascists and then another party that helps out fascists in a number of ways: https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

    Democrats like to position themselves as “the thin blue line” that separates civil society from a fascist hellhole, but just like “the thin blue line” known as the police, they’ve got fascist tendencies if they’re not simply full-blown fascists. To think that this is called a democracy.

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      That’s a bingo. I was elated when I had that realization, but also sad that there was nothing we can do about it. It’s what leads me to accelerationist tendencies, that I struggle with. It’s a facet of the ratchet effect in the 2 party system. But when you explain this to people you are called a pessimist and defeatist. It’s reality. On the bright side, after fascism comes a “golden” period, but climate change will limit its possibilities.

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        On the bright side, after fascism comes a “golden” period

        I’m not so sure about that, there are plenty of countries that have been dictatorships for generations. Modern developments in weapons technology and surveillance also gives the governments of today, and tomorrow, a lot more alternatives to suppress a population than in the past.

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      To your point about the US slide into fascism, thats why I think that this election is very very very important. Imagine what a post-second-term Trump presidential race would look like for a second. Trump is winning as the strong man. You think Dems would counter with someone reasonable? No. Both parties are putting up new people. And guess what? Neither are good and both are populists and both are young and hungry for power. I don’t need to tell everyone that someone like DeSantis would be absolutely insane, but I will. That’s the up and coming from republicans. That’s who sits behind trump next.

      I have good news though. The house of cards that republicans are playing is obvious. It can and I’d say probably will crash if trump loses. If he loses, there is zero reason to pay him attention. Literally ignore him, doesn’t matter. Don’t have to follow his orders.

      And trump is a fascist that will actually kill the platform itself in my view. I think he could topple the whole tower back down to where republicans can’t agree with each other. He also has the power to split the party.

      Basically, the longer that the republicans fail or split, that’s when you’ll get to know the democrats better.

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        I’d love nothing more than for the republican party to slide into complete irrelevance, but I heard the same thing after Bush’s two disastrous terms culminating in a once-in-a-lifetime financial crisis and after Mitt Romney lost, people were saying that republicans are having a demographic crisis and that they’re at risk of never winning another election. The problem is that democrats themselves have said they don’t want this:

        https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html

        https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

        Both Biden and Pelosi said that the country needs the republican party. When was the last time the republican party wasn’t horrible? Just like how whenever democrats get a majority, the exact number of senators turn heel to prevent anything progressive from moving forward, I’m sure democrats will find a way to keep the republican party relevant.

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          It’s entirely possible that democrats will try to hold together what’s left of the Republican Party after 2024. Let me state some points first: -Trump is a massive populist, he has created new issues for voters and completely skewed the stance of the party -Trump also has demanded loyalty from congress. He has people in power who are far far far more dedicated to him than the party -It is unlikely that whatever happens in 2024 will be uneventful. Be it jail, re-election, whatever.

          That all being said, Bush was incompetent and this road is long but yes the republicans have been losing for awhile now. They are unpopular and have arguably lost the majority of the vote for 30 years. Their issues are failing them. Their leader is morally bankrupt.

          Another big reason is demographics. Their demographics have been aged older and older with time. But instead of fluctuations or slow decline, we’re seeing massive unpopularity with younger crowds.

          This makes it very hard to pivot. They don’t have many ways to appeal to young voters without losing their older base. They lost themselves entirely over trump in 2016 and in 2020. Senators who didn’t support trump lost their support. So it’s clear that a lot of the future of the party hinges on trump winning 2024. And I view that as unlikely.

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      There is no such thing as a perfect democracy. To cut off your nose in spite of your face is not the path forward. I want more support for the Palestinians but you also got extreme radicals that are protesting for Palestinian freedom and to establish a caliphate like in Germany. The other side of this conflict is so fragmented my arguments for human rights gets drowned out by religious extremists on both sides. This war didn’t start this year, it started decades ago. Where were all the SJWs then?

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        I wish it was simply a matter of “it’s not perfect” but the problem is actually “it’s not a democracy”. Just take a look at the approval rate of congress: https://news.gallup.com/poll/513410/congress-job-approval-drops-lowest-2017.aspx We’re supposedly in a representative democracy but the representatives have an approval rating of 13%. Tell me how that makes sense.

        You’re right, the war didn’t start this year, as Israel has been committing human rights violations and taking more and more Palestinian land for decades. Support for Palestine has only increased as more people have seen the truth and I attribute part of that to social media and the ability to share another side of the story (complete with recorded video, thanks to phones) instead of the narrative being dominated by large mainstream media outlets.

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          We’re supposedly in a representative democracy but the representatives have an approval rating of 13%. Tell me how that makes sense.

          Not trying to justify things as they stand, but an impprtant caveat is that’s for Congress as a whole. Ask people how they feel about their rep and you get much different numbers. Basically, everyone else is the problem.