Self hosting, at least for lemmy, is absolute trash. I have been told a few times when asking questions that, “it is expected that you are thoroughly experienced with Linux” to be able to follow the mediocre guides. And they are trash if you are a newbie.
So people like me, who would love to use Lemmy for non Linux things, am posting almost entirely about Linux problems.
I wouldn’t expect running a publicly accessible server on the internet to be easy or a great idea for someone not familiar with the OS they’re using. Great way to learn, though.
Yeah I’ve got a proxmox cluster and I’ve been using Linux for decades but I wouldn’t dare host something that a LOT of users are going to access. I don’t know nearly enough about netsec and I can guarantee my vlan practices probably aren’t perfect, etc.
I have a solution for you. Just don’t have your Internet facing things on the same /24 as your home stuff. Why vlan if you can just separate them by network and switch.
Or: just do it anyways. I learned most shit after everything broke. Not before.
And how do you learn, then, from this project, if people are shitty about your questions?
I’m a sw engineer. I’ve been doing every kind of application management, development, and systems design for 25 years, nearly all of that in Linux, and I still need things answered about running apps in proxmox. I’m not coming to a Lemmy community for those answers, I’ll tell you that.
I haven’t tried to get community tech support on Lemmy, so I wouldn’t know what it’s like firsthand. If people are really that difficult, sure, that sucks. But it sounds like the person asking needs to work on more fundamental linux skills than something specific to running a Lemmy instance, and the internet is full of information about that.
I get that, but here we are. It’s something I want to do. I’ve been at it for 6 months and I’ve managed to get the site working twice, but am still struggling with SMTP. Digital ocean blocks smtp and send grid breaks the site.
SMTP in general is a pain to configure. I ran my own mail servers for a while and finally gave up and used a 3rd party service. Too many problems with antispam restrictions, and things like I’d finally get it configured, upgrade postfix or whatever and then it would all be screwed again.
Not really. There’s tutorials for everything and most of them still work 20 years later.
vs you installed ubuntu 20 and now youre trying to follow a 16 tutorial.
What does google and bing making search worse have to do with stackoverflow and serverfaults linux users being snobs?
Or 70% of lemmy circle jerking over how much superior linux is.
I think they just meant if you’re a total Linux newbie, one who might not even be familiar with stackoverflow, trying to troubleshoot Linux via a typical search engine (a very normal thing a normal newbie who doesn’t know better would do) won’t lead to helpful results do the current enshitification of Google and Bing. I’m pretty sure that’s all they meant bro
Would recommend using Docker (container) and Caddy (reverse proxy) to self-host as a newbie, streamlines everything and only basic Linux knowledge required (although you do have to learn Docker commands).
Congratulations, you’ve discovered the struggles of learning an esoteric hobby. Often the learning curve is steep like that. And often you will encounter elitist twits trying to push you back down the curve. But they cannot keep you from knowledge. It sounds like you’re already discovering some of the rewards.
Oh yes, I’ve been using the ansible method of deploying and I have it very close, I just can’t get SMTP working. I’ve set up an account with send grid but letsencrypt keeps telling me I’ve passed the limit for certs and every time I try to deploy it says I have to wait another week to try. I would remove certs but since I’ve already wiped those out, I don’t know what they are or how to find them.
Self hosting, at least for lemmy, is absolute trash. I have been told a few times when asking questions that, “it is expected that you are thoroughly experienced with Linux” to be able to follow the mediocre guides. And they are trash if you are a newbie.
So people like me, who would love to use Lemmy for non Linux things, am posting almost entirely about Linux problems.
I wouldn’t expect running a publicly accessible server on the internet to be easy or a great idea for someone not familiar with the OS they’re using. Great way to learn, though.
Yeah I’ve got a proxmox cluster and I’ve been using Linux for decades but I wouldn’t dare host something that a LOT of users are going to access. I don’t know nearly enough about netsec and I can guarantee my vlan practices probably aren’t perfect, etc.
I have a solution for you. Just don’t have your Internet facing things on the same /24 as your home stuff. Why vlan if you can just separate them by network and switch.
Or: just do it anyways. I learned most shit after everything broke. Not before.
And how do you learn, then, from this project, if people are shitty about your questions?
I’m a sw engineer. I’ve been doing every kind of application management, development, and systems design for 25 years, nearly all of that in Linux, and I still need things answered about running apps in proxmox. I’m not coming to a Lemmy community for those answers, I’ll tell you that.
I haven’t tried to get community tech support on Lemmy, so I wouldn’t know what it’s like firsthand. If people are really that difficult, sure, that sucks. But it sounds like the person asking needs to work on more fundamental linux skills than something specific to running a Lemmy instance, and the internet is full of information about that.
I get that, but here we are. It’s something I want to do. I’ve been at it for 6 months and I’ve managed to get the site working twice, but am still struggling with SMTP. Digital ocean blocks smtp and send grid breaks the site.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SMTP in general is a pain to configure. I ran my own mail servers for a while and finally gave up and used a 3rd party service. Too many problems with antispam restrictions, and things like I’d finally get it configured, upgrade postfix or whatever and then it would all be screwed again.
If you never used windows before and were trying to do something complicated like self hosting on it, you would be having nothing but issues…
Not really. There’s tutorials for everything and most of them still work 20 years later.
vs you installed ubuntu 20 and now youre trying to follow a 16 tutorial.
The Linux community as a whole has a real problem with being snobs to new users.
snobs, yes. Cunts even.
The fact that Google and bing are aggressively fucking search to death doesn’t help much.
What does google and bing making search worse have to do with stackoverflow and serverfaults linux users being snobs?
Or 70% of lemmy circle jerking over how much superior linux is.
I think they just meant if you’re a total Linux newbie, one who might not even be familiar with stackoverflow, trying to troubleshoot Linux via a typical search engine (a very normal thing a normal newbie who doesn’t know better would do) won’t lead to helpful results do the current enshitification of Google and Bing. I’m pretty sure that’s all they meant bro
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Would recommend using Docker (container) and Caddy (reverse proxy) to self-host as a newbie, streamlines everything and only basic Linux knowledge required (although you do have to learn Docker commands).
@Gabagoolzoo @ElCanut @ZMonster You could even use Portainer and forget about commands ( I rather use the cli as compose files are better imo )
Congratulations, you’ve discovered the struggles of learning an esoteric hobby. Often the learning curve is steep like that. And often you will encounter elitist twits trying to push you back down the curve. But they cannot keep you from knowledge. It sounds like you’re already discovering some of the rewards.
Oh yes, I’ve been using the ansible method of deploying and I have it very close, I just can’t get SMTP working. I’ve set up an account with send grid but letsencrypt keeps telling me I’ve passed the limit for certs and every time I try to deploy it says I have to wait another week to try. I would remove certs but since I’ve already wiped those out, I don’t know what they are or how to find them.
I haven’t looked into it, but I’d imagine that it’s your basic LAMP/LNMP stack.
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