You’ll see anarchists praising Rosa Luxemburg, who if they had actually read her writings – they would see that she was very clearly one of the “authoritarian” socialists that they rail against so much.

You see them praise the Black Panthers, who were supported financially by the DPRK and aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.

They even praise Thomas Sankara, who purged anarchists and arrested syndicalists.

If these people had succeeded, i have no doubt in my mind that anarchists would call them “tankies,” they would call their experiments “capitalism with a red flag.” And I also have no doubt in my mind that if the October Revolution, Chinese Revolution had been crushed, they would hail Lenin and Mao as proletarian heroes.

  • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldEnglish
    421·
    1 year ago

    Why put the Black Panthers in here? 🤨

    The Black Panther platform, as I understand it, was:

    • We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black Community.
    • We want full employment for our people.
    • We want an end to the robbery by the Capitalists of our Black Community.
    • We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.
    • We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present day society.
    • We want all Black men to be exempt from military service.
    • We want an immediate end to POLICE BRUTALITY and MURDER of Black people.
    • We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
    • We want all Black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their Black Communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.
    • We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.

    The Juche platform is:

    • We must give our all in the struggle to unify the entire society with the revolutionary ideology of the Great Leader Kim Il Sung.
    • We must honor the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung with all our loyalty.
    • We must make absolute the authority of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
    • We must make the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung’s revolutionary ideology our faith and make his instructions our creed.
    • We must adhere strictly to the principle of unconditional obedience in carrying out the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung’s instructions.
    • We must strengthen the entire party’s ideology and willpower and revolutionary unity, centering on the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
    • We must learn from the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung and adopt the communist look, revolutionary work methods and people-oriented work style.
    • We must value the political life we were given by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung, and loyally repay his great political trust and thoughtfulness with heightened political awareness and skill.
    • We must establish strong organizational regulations so that the entire party, nation and military move as one under the one and only leadership of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.
    • We must pass down the great achievement of the revolution by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung from generation to generation, inheriting and completing it to the end.
    • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      20·
      1 year ago

      The Black Panthers were complimentary of the DPRK, and had warm relations with them:

      https://archive.ph/QYo19

      I don’t think your quote is a summary that really shows what the BPP might’ve liked about Juche:

      The Juche idea was created on the basis of such a practical requirement of the Korean revolution. The revolution is a struggle to meet the masses’ desire for independence by enlisting their strength. It is a struggle of the masses to free themselves. When they are armed with the revolutionary idea and united into an organized political force, the masses can emerge victorious in the revolution. The duty of revolutionaries is to go among the popular masses, masters of the revolution. to educate, organize, and inspire them to a struggle. The revolutionary forces, too, should be trained from among the masses, and all problems arising in the revolutionary struggle should likewise be resolved in reliance on their wisdom and strength.

      (On the Juche Idea - Kim Jong-Il p7)

      I italicized the bit that stood out to me as most like the BPP.

      The DPRK is mostly viewed pretty well here, btw. It’s not an insult or a smear to align the Black Panthers with them. It’s a compliment.

    • Black AOC@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      16·
      1 year ago

      I think the Panthers and the DPRK end up getting mentioned in the same breath a lot because of the communications they shared; though nothing I’ve studied ever suggested they outright adopted Juche. If someone’s got like-- hard and fast recollection that’s stored somewhere that they did, though; I’d very much like to see it if only for completion of my own understanding.

      • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldEnglish
        74·
        1 year ago

        Agreed, I’d like to see it as well. Because to me, it sounds a lot like this type of smear that’s common in American politics. “You gave an award one time to this POET who also advocated for BLOWING UP THIS BUILDING so clearly you support everything he said, so you’re a terrorist!”

        The specific assertion was that the BPP “aligned themselves with the Juche ideology of Kim Il Sung.” I’m asking, is that accurate? Or did they just talk and were they both generally socialist in nature?

    • Weinus@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      "Juche is a political ideology that serves as the guiding principle of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), commonly known as North Korea. It was developed by the country’s first leader, Kim Il-sung, and is still upheld by subsequent leaders, including Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un.

      Juche is often translated as “self-reliance” or “self-determination” and emphasizes the self-reliance and sovereignty of the nation. It promotes the idea that the Korean people are the masters of their own destiny and should rely on their own efforts, resources, and capabilities rather than being dependent on external forces. It encompasses political, economic, and cultural aspects of society.

      From the perspective of the DPRK and its citizens, Juche emphasizes the importance of independence and the pursuit of their own unique path. It places great significance on the Korean people’s revolutionary spirit and their ability to shape their own destiny. Juche encourages self-sufficiency and the development of domestic industries and resources, aiming to reduce reliance on foreign aid and external influences.

      In practical terms, Juche has manifested itself in various policies and practices within North Korea. These include an emphasis on economic self-reliance, the pursuit of nuclear weapons as a means of national defense and deterrence, the promotion of a distinct national identity and culture, and the concept of “military-first politics” (Songun) which prioritizes the military in the allocation of resources.

      It’s important to note that the understanding and interpretation of Juche can vary depending on who you ask. While the DPRK government presents it as a fundamental principle that guides their policies, some critics argue that Juche is used as a tool for maintaining the regime’s control and isolating the country from the rest of the world.

      Overall, Juche, from the perspective of the DPRK and its citizens, promotes the idea of self-reliance, independence, and the pursuit of their own unique path in political, economic, and cultural spheres."

      One can easily see the parallels with the Panther’s approach to self reliance, and community care/defense organizations etc.

    • nephs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Hey, you are here! You are a tankie, now, welcome!

      There’s an actual made-up tank for everyone, don’t forget to claim yours in the reception. And don’t forget to visit the infighting community for free for all arguments where the only thing one knows is that everyone else is wrong.

      Cheers!

      • nephs@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Hey, you are here! You are a tankie, now, welcome!

        There’s an actual made-up tank for everyone, don’t forget to claim yours in the reception. And don’t forget to visit the infighting community for free for all arguments where the only thing one knows is that everyone else is wrong.

        Cheers!

        PS: I keep screwing up with posting from multiple instances. D: