• Kit Sorens@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I’ve only experienced that from them since I’ve known them. Not one wants a good faith discussion until you grovel to their fundamentalist tripe. Unity to them means blindly following their half-understood theories of centuries-dead men, and anyone who questions a lick of it gets the 4chan swarm treatment.

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          OP literally did not attempt to have any discussion of any kind, and explicitly said they had no interest in doing so

          that’s the definition of “not in good faith” homie

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            When they don’t have a counterargument, they attack your character. It shows just how strong their foundation of understanding is that a simple debate or differing viewpoint is a dire threat to their entire worldview. It’s extremely pathetic tbh.

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              I think they just observed that you generally ignored the counterarguments and correctly concluded that presenting yet another to you is absurd, but of course you pick that as the comment you respond to

              Also calling someone a dweeb isn’t a character attack, like calling them a moron isn’t.

              I’d fucking love to talk with someone here on terms of argument and counterargument, but that is considered “sealioning” by every fucker I’ve encountered so far on this worthless anarcho-bidenist instance

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                Any form of name-calling or declaration in regards to the individual and not the subject of debate is an appeal to character, and is the last resort of those who can’t support their claim, second to violence.

                If I have “ignored” responses, it is because my app has not notified me that I have a response to a comment. To my knowledge, I have responded in-kind to every comment regarding this post, and even if I hadn’t, one cannot be compelled to respond to every argument or point. It is entirely reasonable for me, on my own judgement, to deem a reply to be a waste of time or nothing worth adding to or drawing attention toward.

                Lastly, if you would like to make a claim and prove good faith, please do so here or in DMs. I would love to discuss philosophy and ethics. But let’s do so in our own words. Quoting Manifestos will be just as effective to a productive discussion as quoting religious scripture. Convince me. Don’t beat me with a dead man’s words.

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    does the work of the feds by intentionally seeding distrust between leftists

    gets called a fed by leftists

    “time to fill my diaper about it!”

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      The fact that you numbskulls don’t even realize how significant fedjacketing is and why we don’t do it, just says everything one needs to know.

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    Well it works for us on Hexbear. That’s actually what I like about it, it’s a nice big tent over there. Some of our greatest posters are anarchists, they were indispensable on the frontline of the posting wars that followed federation. rat-salute

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    Hey so I think you’re pretty rad person who’s obviously investing a lot of effort in setting up cool communities and making tools to keep them safe.

    I also think you got unfairly dogpiled in a pretty frustrating way.

    But further, it seemed to me you were not trying to de-escalate there. I know the hexbear dogpile can be a bit ridiculous (honestly that place confuses me, I see both the absolute sanest and most unhinged posts coming out of hexbear users) but at this point you are definitely feeding the trolls.

    I get that this might be fun for you, but it does use up a lot of bandwidth in the community and I worry it harms the quality of conversations we might be able to have in the future.

    Once again I want to be clear that this remark comes from a place of respect, you obviously care about fostering online community and hence this last couple of days is confusing to me.

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        Least suspicious mysterious stranger stanning very hard for a smol bean poster in a way that doesn’t seem like Scott Adams pretending to be his own feeemale fan to praise himself.

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          I think that’s a stretch, seems to be a person that recognises a situation that is escalating and doesn’t want it to, so they’re using extremely diplomatic language in order to try to get through without being lumped into the “my enemies” crowd by db0.

          Which is a good thing. This whole thing is stupid and it stopping would be good and healthier for everyone.

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            I’d be more inclined to agree with you if they didn’t already do a grandiose and hypocritical “you must be unwell, touch grass touch grass touch grass” rage post at me a little bit before now. The “diplomatic” thing seems very selectively delivered here.

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              Them being diplomatic in one case doesn’t mean any real pretense of impartiality. I don’t like really anyone on that instance, but I would consider this to be not it.

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                The “impartial” seemed more like fawning praise, presumably because of some software that the shitposter contributed.

                I never subscribed to the “tortured genius” theory of celebrities, and I also don’t subscribe to cruder versions like “people get a pass to be assholes if they produce treats.”

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        I’m not sure if you’re aware but db0 has been working on CSAM filtering, safe federation lists and similar.

        Maybe cut them some slack? That’s certainly more work than I put in.

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          I didn’t remember, though if this is the AI guy then I did read the post. I still need to question the deeply antisocial behavior patterns when it comes to anything having to do with communication, though.

          Not that we shouldn’t give them credit for whatever good they do, we should.

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              Is it hyperbolic when the flame war was of their making and has been stoked and perpetuated by that same user posting more and more about it ever since?

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                Yes it is. Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.

                Deeply antisocial is language that applies to stuff like the extremely normal rape and death threats, dick pics, and harassment that happens all the time.

                It’s not like they’re pming you, just view a different page.

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                  Yes it is. Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.

                  And that is why you’re siding with the person that made this entire thread (and the prior thread it refers to) because of reasons totally not like “being teased in a comment section.” galaxy-brain

                  It’s not like they’re pming you, just view a different page

                  Unlike the poster you’re championing, who needs to heroically continue the crybully crusade.

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                  Being teased in a comment section is one of the mildest things that can happen to you online.

                  You’ve got another person here saying it is one step down from violence. Does it depend on the sect of the person doing it?

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              When someone is posting enough to be nearly half the flame war, including resurrecting it in a new thread because they just need the attention ig, it provides a pretty large data set.

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      It’s understand the concern. This is just how I deal with this stuff myself. I can absorb a lot off abusive behaviour but I have to blow off some steam somehow, and this is my way.

      Unlike what hexbears might say, I’m not trying to goad them. Notice that I never went out of my way to invite their dogpiles.

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        I’m not trying to goad them. Notice that I never went out of my way to invite their dogpiles.

        My sweet little pain piggy, you keep letting out clarion calls that summons all the silly bears out of every nook and cranny of the lemmynet

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        Unlike what hexbears might say, I’m not trying to goad them.

        You literally put the hexbear logo in the whiny little meme you’ve posted here.

        You’re not fooling anyone with your reddit-tier bs lmao

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        We are explicitly a left unity community and Your first (racist) meme was explicitly against left unity and you literally included our logo in this one. If that isn’t goading us what would be in your eyes?

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        Yeah idk you defs don’t want spaces dominated by the norms of whoever is the most annoying. I’ve wasted far too much time at meetings with certain pot stirrers interjecting with their own little axe at every chance.

        I’m just very weary of fostering tribalism and shit slinging in a time when the left is roundly loosing in the majority of the most powerful countries.

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          Eh the death of the left has been greatly exaggerated. Sure parliamentary left is “losing” but parliamentary left was worse than useless anyway. Spare no tears for that. Struggle breeds radicalization and if you are looking you will see that the embers are already flaming.

          Anyway I’m not trying to do tribalism. I could have easily followed the trend and defederated if that was my goal. I actually like the chance to be criticized from the left. I’m not perfect. But I do have some strong convictions as well.

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              Is that why you’re allowed to comment in my tribal lands with buddies while I am responding alone? Hell of a tribe I have made!

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                  Does this gish galloping ever work? Just take everything out of context and erect a strawman from it? I seen it way too often from y’all

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            “I actually like the chance to be criticized from the left.“

            Is this a joke? Every good faith criticism you have received from the left you act as if it is some dog pile attack and like you didn’t invite this debate with your first extremely divisive (and racist) meme. You kept repeating Ad Nauseum that you “didn’t owe anyone a debate” and telling us we’re “sea lioning”. Guess what dipshit? You know what criticism from the left is going to feel like: A DEBATE!

            In what way does that behavior demonstrate that you are in any way open to left criticism? I presume you just conveniently omit anyone who you see as a “Tankie” from “the left” you are ok being criticized by.

            You are a terminally reddit brained person who colors themself as an Anarchist because you like the aesthetic. You are happy to punch left and carry water for Imperialism because it gives you some individualistic and smug sense of moral correctness. That feeling is obviously more important to you than understanding AES states on their terms and learning from what they did right and what they did wrong without moralizing like the child that you are.

            Your convictions are as strong as apple sauce. These two posts have made it abundantly clear to me that without some fucking humility, self Crit, and willingness to engage with other leftists who disagree with you (re: DEBATE) you are the kind of “leftist” who would sell out a successful left wing movement if there ever was one because they were “too authoritarian”

            If Hexbear users are so bad do us a favor and de-federate because this is clearly a waste of everyone’s time and energy.

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            I could have easily followed the trend and defederated if that was my goal.

            This is very awesome of you I must say. I was hoping some real friendship from both sides could happen here.

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        You kicked the extremist groupthink hornet’s nest by mentioning them. Whenever I give one of them shit, 10 more show up out of the woodwork.