I mean, I’m a nut for EVs, but they are correct. EVs are likely better in the long run, but producing them still produces a ton of greenhouse gasses and other environmental concerns. The best bet is to encourage people to drive less, build better infrastructure so fewer people have to buy cars, and focus on reduction of reliance on driving as a whole.
Hell, even for me, my whole plan was to drive my EV into the ground, using it as long as possible to offset it’s upfront environmental costs, but my battery failed after 38k miles. I got a lemon :(. Thankfully, it’s covered under warranty and they built me a new battery, but now my car has the battery environmental cost of two EVs so it’ll likely never be as efficient as if I’d just bought a damn Honda Civic. Admittedly, I’m a statistical outlier, but it still sucks :(
Ur right ICE factories make no greenhouse emissions at all and have 250M ICEs on the road makes lots less emissions than EVs. Having existing electrical plants produce power will just make more greenhouse gasses than all the ICE cars they have helped replace.
They can both be bad, even if one is less bad. I’m all for EV adoption. It’s better in the long run. However, less driving altogether would be more impactful.
Tell that to the child slaves mining resources for first world consumers. Unfortunately, the citizens of less developed countries’ opinions don’t matter if their government is corrupt.
Okay, cool. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t ever buy any batteries. I have an electric car in my driveway right now.
The whole point of what I initially said was to recognize that, although one is definitely worse than the other, there are environmental costs to both ICE vehicles and EV vehicles and to reduce our carbon emissions we should focus more on being less car dependent in general.
You’ve gone off about how you don’t care about other people or your downstream effects on them and I don’t really know why I’ve engaged with this pointless conversation.
How do you think it doesn’t? Can you explain point by point how your comparison works? Does haing 250M less ICEs in a country somehow increase greenhouse gasses?
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I mean, I’m a nut for EVs, but they are correct. EVs are likely better in the long run, but producing them still produces a ton of greenhouse gasses and other environmental concerns. The best bet is to encourage people to drive less, build better infrastructure so fewer people have to buy cars, and focus on reduction of reliance on driving as a whole.
Hell, even for me, my whole plan was to drive my EV into the ground, using it as long as possible to offset it’s upfront environmental costs, but my battery failed after 38k miles. I got a lemon :(. Thankfully, it’s covered under warranty and they built me a new battery, but now my car has the battery environmental cost of two EVs so it’ll likely never be as efficient as if I’d just bought a damn Honda Civic. Admittedly, I’m a statistical outlier, but it still sucks :(
Ur right ICE factories make no greenhouse emissions at all and have 250M ICEs on the road makes lots less emissions than EVs. Having existing electrical plants produce power will just make more greenhouse gasses than all the ICE cars they have helped replace.
They can both be bad, even if one is less bad. I’m all for EV adoption. It’s better in the long run. However, less driving altogether would be more impactful.
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Tell that to the child slaves mining resources for first world consumers. Unfortunately, the citizens of less developed countries’ opinions don’t matter if their government is corrupt.
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You’re right, so we might as well exploit those less fortunate than us because they were unlucky enough to be born where they were born.
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Okay, cool. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t ever buy any batteries. I have an electric car in my driveway right now.
The whole point of what I initially said was to recognize that, although one is definitely worse than the other, there are environmental costs to both ICE vehicles and EV vehicles and to reduce our carbon emissions we should focus more on being less car dependent in general.
You’ve gone off about how you don’t care about other people or your downstream effects on them and I don’t really know why I’ve engaged with this pointless conversation.
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How’s mining lithium and moving 6 tons around all day help with it?
How do you think it doesn’t? Can you explain point by point how your comparison works? Does haing 250M less ICEs in a country somehow increase greenhouse gasses?