No I just didn’t bring my personal emotions and biases into this discussion. One merits alone, you have to have a plan for after this war, and “our bad, we’re leaving” is the worst of those options.
That’s why I said
This war has already happened. You can’t un-fuck a chicken. If there was no war, then I think you’d have a lot more ground to stand on here.
The IRA are a terrorist organisation, Sinn Fein was the political party that had deniability. There was terrorism happening in while the negotiations for the situation they are in now were happening.
I’m not saying negotiate with Hamas, but I am saying increasing the military presence there while restricting more freedoms is the wrong thing to do as is evidenced by history.
Sinn Fein was the political party that had deniability.
This is the difference. Hamas is literally founded on the genocide of Israel, and as the government of Gaza, the sole political party. When their position is vacated, if the prevailing opinion of Gazans has not changed (and the time since the Oct 7 massacres has definitely not helped that) you’ll just get a different terror org running the show.
I am saying increasing the military presence there while restricting more freedoms is the wrong thing to do as is evidenced by history.
They have to help rebuild or they will be in a worse position. Sometimes, as a leader, you have no good choices and must pick a least bad choice.
Even saying this, I think we both know Israel will fuck up that last part. Their leadership sucks and they’ll do a bad job and round and round we’ll go. That’s why this situation sucks so much.
I very strongly disagree that taking away the ability for your enemy to make war on you puts you in a more dangerous situation.
This war has already happened. You can’t un-fuck a chicken. If there was no war, then I think you’d have a lot more ground to stand on here.
Every place that is occupied gets more partisan violence.
This isn’t opinion, it is a lesson learned during every occupation.
Gaza was already occupied. Step outside your thought pattern and consider what I’m actually saying.
Which further makes my point.
An occupied territory with partisan violence gets more occupation, which gets more partisan violence.
Do you work for an occupying force, because that’s the only way occupation makes sense.
No I just didn’t bring my personal emotions and biases into this discussion. One merits alone, you have to have a plan for after this war, and “our bad, we’re leaving” is the worst of those options.
That’s why I said
Projection
Occupation is not going to solve this issue either.
Lets wind the clock back to The Troubles. There wasn’t a military solution, it was a diplomatic one.
Funny how partisan violence died down real quick when Sinn Fein was invited to the table in good faith.
Can’t do this while terrorists govern and removing terrorists from governance is literally what this war is.
The Gazan conflict is a substantially more complicated problem than the Troubles.
Insults don’t work on me.
Wheres the insult?
The IRA are a terrorist organisation, Sinn Fein was the political party that had deniability. There was terrorism happening in while the negotiations for the situation they are in now were happening.
I’m not saying negotiate with Hamas, but I am saying increasing the military presence there while restricting more freedoms is the wrong thing to do as is evidenced by history.
This is the difference. Hamas is literally founded on the genocide of Israel, and as the government of Gaza, the sole political party. When their position is vacated, if the prevailing opinion of Gazans has not changed (and the time since the Oct 7 massacres has definitely not helped that) you’ll just get a different terror org running the show.
They have to help rebuild or they will be in a worse position. Sometimes, as a leader, you have no good choices and must pick a least bad choice.
Even saying this, I think we both know Israel will fuck up that last part. Their leadership sucks and they’ll do a bad job and round and round we’ll go. That’s why this situation sucks so much.