• bluGill@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    We don’t like the first and second amendments so we will just use the courts to make them effectively obsolete. (If you don’t think assault weapons are a first amendment issue then you don’t know what the actual definition is)

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      11 months ago

      Speaking as someone who knows the definition (or more accurately, that there isn’t one), it is not a first amendment issue.

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        11 months ago

        ‘Assult’ weapons are guns with a specific cosmetic features . Bayonet mounts, and color, the various handles. Since it is cosmetic that makes it.an expression issue and thus 1a.

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          11 months ago

          Interesting argument. But features like a bayonet mount or pistol grip are functional, not cosmetic. And I’ve never seen a gun law that talks about color.

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            11 months ago

            Semi-functional at best. A bayonet is just a knife on a gun, what different does it make? A pistol grip effects ergonomics, but it isn’t any more/less functional.

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          11 months ago

          Right with you on the idiocy of banning features. Right with you on the “assault” weapon boolshit. But I’m not feeling the 1A expression issue.

          No one’s banning colors. Handles and bayonet lugs are easily functional items.

          Let’s keep this argument on the level, not try to bring in other shit.

          Does that make sense?

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      11 months ago

      I don’t see how the configuration and design of a firearm in terms of detachable magazines, pistol grip, bayonet, adjustable stock, or other irrelevant / superficial features included in prior AWB law counts as free speech.

      (But I think I’ve disproved your first point, at least. :))

      But I also don’t see how lawsuits against a firearms manufacturer based on people using them to do evil makes sense. Anymore than one would sue Ford for making the car that some sick ass hat used to run into a crowd, say. Or suing Louisville Slugger if a psycho goes on a bashing spree with one of their products.

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        11 months ago

        Or amazon getting sued for selling spycameras, or the sacklers getting sued for marketing oxycotin? That sort of liability is well established. That’s why they passed laws to limit it.