• Sanyanov@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Besides what another commenter noted about indistrialization being product of capitalism and then fierce competition, here’s one more thing:

    Do you see all those green activists buying reusable bags? Taking their bottles, recycling everything? Well, this has already been there in the past, and most notably - in socialist countries. Pretty much till its death USSR, for example, heavily favored reusable things, there just weren’t plastic bags and plastic bottles and all that waste, and recycling, especially of glass and metal and paper, was a super normal thing and people got money/trade-in for that.

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      11 months ago

      Let’s not label the USSR as socialist. Any country that implemented communism is to socialism like a hammer is to winter clothes. You won’t be cold anymore if you wear the winter clothes, but you won’t be cold anymore if I smash your skull in with the hammer, either.

      If you want to discuss communist countries leading the world in not polluting, go ahead -

      China: the plastic leader

      As the leading manufacturing economy and exporter of goods in the world, it is not surprising that China is the world’s largest producer of plastic as well.

      Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/281126/global-plastics-production-share-of-various-countries-and-regions/#:~:text=As the leading manufacturing economy,producer of plastic as well

      CO2 Emissions by Country

      1 China 10,432,751,400 -0.28% 1,401,889,681 7.44 29.18%

      Source: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/

      Coal Consumption by Country

      Country World Share

      1 China 50.5%

      Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coal/coal-consumption-by-country/

      And plenty of other examples. So let’s not equate communism with socialism and claim social (or any other) policies in communist countries are anything more than a means for the dictator and their party to either maintain control, or increase their own power, influence and money.

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        11 months ago

        Uhm, USSR was very much socialist. It officially strived to reach communism, but the actual economic system was socialist. It’s often called communist due to the ideology claiming communism to be the perfect and inevitable endgame for the country, which is a big disambiguation. Suffice it to say, communism was never reached.

        China, on the other hand, is capitalist, despite being ruled by a communist party. It has a private property on means of production, which defines a capitalist country as opposed to socialist or communist one (source: Wikipedia)

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