Environmental experts caution pumping seawater into underground tunnels could result in long-lasting consequences for groundwater in Gaza Strip

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    Genocide is a claim of intent. That’s only if israel intends to eradicate them in whole or in part which has not been established, there have been a few troubling comments from Israeli government officials but not from those in charge.

    Hamas and other Palestinian groups are quite explicit about their intention to commit genocide. It’s in Hamas’ original charter. They seem to be the ones you’re concerned about protecting by binding Israel’s hands.

    The UN treats national groups like ethnic groups for their definition, which I don’t think is appropriate. If retaliating against a hostile nation in war with intention to destroy them at whole or in part, is genocide, this implies that October 7th was also an act of genocide, and every chant of, “from the river to the sea,” is a call for genocide.

    It seems like you approve of genocide, just by the other party. You’re certainly going to great lengths to generate outrage about Israel defending themselves against a genocidal opponent.

    I think it’s clear you’re just throwing around the words you think are most outrage generating, regardless of whether they actually are applicable here.

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      So, Hamas wants to commit genocide.

      Israel, the country (not the people), is actively committing genocide.

      Israel is committing genocide on the people of Palestine.

      If it were only a war against Hamas, maybe I’d have some sympathy left. But their war is against the Palestinian people.

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        Genocide is a claim of intent, not ability. One can commit a shitty, ineffective genocide. One can kill a lot of civilians as collateral damage without it being a genocide.

        Israel claims destroying Palestine is not their intent. Hamas says destroying Israel is their intent. Only one of these sides is explicitly genocidal by the UN definition.

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          So are you suggesting that Israel is “accidentally” committing genocide?

          And if so, shouldn’t we hold them accountable for their actions?

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            I’m suggesting that high collateral damage when attacking military targets is not genocide, nor is pumping sea water into these tunnels.

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              Are you joking?

              Describing what Israel is doing as “high collateral damage” is like describing the US dropping its atomic bombs on Japan as “a tough negotiation tactic”.

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                No, I’m not. Genocide is a claim of intent, not of quantity killed. Israel goes to great lengths to ensure they attack legal military targets.

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                  Israel goes to great lengths to ensure they attack legal military targets.

                  So are you suggesting they’ve got bad aim or something? Or is it a “happy accident”?

                  I think they are lying, and intent not being explicitly declared is weak ground to stand on when you consider what is being done.

                  So now it sounds to me like Israel is committing what a layperson would consider genocide, but it isn’t “technically genocide” because they are being dishonest about their intent.

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                    I’m suggesting they don’t care much about collateral damage provided they have legal military targets. They know their enemy uses human shields and they’re not going to let that be an effective tactic.

                    I think they are lying, and intent not being explicitly declared is weak ground to stand on when you consider what is being done. So now it sounds to me like Israel is committing what a layperson would consider genocide, but it isn’t “technically genocide” because they are being dishonest about their intent.

                    That’s a far more compelling argument, but I haven’t seen any proof of this. If it is a genocide it isn’t a very effective one but I suppose that could be because they are manufacturing plausible deniability. They certainly have the means to level Gaza in a day were they so inclined but that would validate such accusations.

                    Given Israel’s history, however, I find that very unlikely.