Black Americans as a group are the most oppressed group in America. I find it elitist to say that acknowledging that gives them “a free ride”. Also, blacks are the most oppressed group in the Americas in general where there is a lot of colorism and blacks are at the bottom due to the lingering biases of former colonial slave system and the old slave system money left to the European descendants, and those who allied with them. Systematic racism is real and there is tons of research to back that up.
The black proletariat has no power over the decisions of the empire.
There is no nuance here. It is very simple. A group cannot be racist if they don’t have the tools to oppress other races. Therefore, black people cannot be racist.
Can black people be Europhobic, or Asiabphobic or any kind of phobic, sure, but since they don’t have the tools to oppress anyone, they can’t be racist.
As a group, white people own the means of production and the means to oppress other races. White people run all the institutions of power and are able to control the fate of other races. The White proletariat benefits from systematic racism, definitely not as much as the white bourgeoisie, but it does, and has helped them increased their quality of life and accumulate generational wealth. As a group white people have the means to oppress black people. Black people doesn’t have any power to do this to anyone.
As a group black people dont own banks, or big business or weapons factories or any other method that could allow them to put other groups at their mercy to jeopardize their livelihood.
Just because one black person was president once doesnt mean that black people have the power as a group to systematically oppress another group.
The “what about Obama” narrative is a white supremacist tactic used to undermine the reality of systematic racism.
I never said that because there was one black President that black peoples don’t face systemic racism. You are avoiding the original question the commenter posed to you.
Black people as a collective group in the imperial core are still in a more advantageous position of power and privilege compared to people in the third world and periphery countries. Does that mean they face no oppression or systemic racism? No. We never said that. However to act like any oppressed group such as black people cannot be participate or succeed in the imperial machine is disingenuous and removes personal agency for those that do. It either makes them seem like mindless puppets, or “not-black”, which is harmful to the larger conversation.
I never said that because there was one black President that black peoples don’t face systemic racism.
You said “What was Obama then?” when I mentioned that black people don’t have the tools for oppressing others. You literally brought up Obama when I was talking of black people as group not having the tools for oppressing others. You are equating one black president to black people having tools for oppressing other groups, when it is the whole contrary. They are the ones being oppressed, and as I mentioned previously, the “What about Obama?” is a common narrative used by white supremacists to diminish the severity of the situation of systematic racism.
You are avoiding the original question the commenter posed to you.
There was not question posed, just a statement posed.
Black people as a collective group in the imperial core are still in a more advantageous position of power and privilege compared to people in the third world and periphery countries
This statement is not totally true. Sure, black people may have a better overall standard of living when it comes to people in the global south, but in terms of power, as I mentioned previously, they don’t own the means of oppression or the means of production as a group. Therefore, they do not have a greater power than someone in the global south has.
However to act like any oppressed group such as black people cannot be participate or succeed in the imperial machine is disingenuous and removes personal agency for those that do.
No, it is not. Black people cannot in fact succeed as group in the imperial machine because the imperial machine is built in a way to avoid them from succeeding. That is part of systematic racism. I am not taking away their agency. The system is. You cannot will away the barriers that are put into place to prevent this.
It either makes them seem like mindless puppets, or “not-black”, which is harmful to the larger conversation.
I have no words for this comment. Systematic racism is put into place because they are not mindless puppets. It is put into place to prevent capable and smart people from climbing to the top such that the dominant group can stay in power.
America is made such that the power and the means of production stays in the hands of the descendants of the Europeans.
Sure in the hypothetical scenario that black people as group could get their hands in the means of production and the means of oppression, and use them to oppress other races, then yes, they would be racists. But in the world that we live in, that is not the case, and it is made such that it never happens. Therefore, black people cannot be racist.
Can black people be Europhobic, Asianphobic, or discriminatory against any other group, yes. But, racism entails a power dynamic that black people lack of as a group, therefore, they cannot be racist.
Capitalism props itself up with white supremacy, colonialism, patriarchy, and so on. Yes, the average black person in the US lives a materially better life than someone in the developing world, but that doesn’t mean that America is any less white supremacist. Obama being the president for 8 years doesn’t suddenly mean that the US isn’t a white supremacist country.
Basically it dispels the myths behind the “white proletariat” (it’s part of the title actually) and delves deep into the history of settler colonialism in the US.
White leftists don’t like it cause Sakai tells them they aren’t and never have been the main character.
Precisely that- a myth. History claims that the working class of Europe came over to the Americas that were empty and wild and built an entire country out of the ashes, when in reality most settlers that originally came here were petit bourgeois seeking to become bourgeois themselves as the contradictions of capitalism were piling up in Europe and causing more and more people to be wage slaves, which apparently was a fate worse than death to them.
All of this is in Settlers so do yourself a favor and read it
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Black Americans as a group are the most oppressed group in America. I find it elitist to say that acknowledging that gives them “a free ride”. Also, blacks are the most oppressed group in the Americas in general where there is a lot of colorism and blacks are at the bottom due to the lingering biases of former colonial slave system and the old slave system money left to the European descendants, and those who allied with them. Systematic racism is real and there is tons of research to back that up.
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How if they have no power to do that as an oppressed group unlike whites who own all the tools of oppression?
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The black proletariat has no power over the decisions of the empire.
There is no nuance here. It is very simple. A group cannot be racist if they don’t have the tools to oppress other races. Therefore, black people cannot be racist.
Can black people be Europhobic, or Asiabphobic or any kind of phobic, sure, but since they don’t have the tools to oppress anyone, they can’t be racist.
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As a group, white people own the means of production and the means to oppress other races. White people run all the institutions of power and are able to control the fate of other races. The White proletariat benefits from systematic racism, definitely not as much as the white bourgeoisie, but it does, and has helped them increased their quality of life and accumulate generational wealth. As a group white people have the means to oppress black people. Black people doesn’t have any power to do this to anyone.
What was Obama then? That is a good example.
As a group black people dont own banks, or big business or weapons factories or any other method that could allow them to put other groups at their mercy to jeopardize their livelihood.
Just because one black person was president once doesnt mean that black people have the power as a group to systematically oppress another group.
The “what about Obama” narrative is a white supremacist tactic used to undermine the reality of systematic racism.
I never said that because there was one black President that black peoples don’t face systemic racism. You are avoiding the original question the commenter posed to you.
Black people as a collective group in the imperial core are still in a more advantageous position of power and privilege compared to people in the third world and periphery countries. Does that mean they face no oppression or systemic racism? No. We never said that. However to act like any oppressed group such as black people cannot be participate or succeed in the imperial machine is disingenuous and removes personal agency for those that do. It either makes them seem like mindless puppets, or “not-black”, which is harmful to the larger conversation.
You said “What was Obama then?” when I mentioned that black people don’t have the tools for oppressing others. You literally brought up Obama when I was talking of black people as group not having the tools for oppressing others. You are equating one black president to black people having tools for oppressing other groups, when it is the whole contrary. They are the ones being oppressed, and as I mentioned previously, the “What about Obama?” is a common narrative used by white supremacists to diminish the severity of the situation of systematic racism.
There was not question posed, just a statement posed.
This statement is not totally true. Sure, black people may have a better overall standard of living when it comes to people in the global south, but in terms of power, as I mentioned previously, they don’t own the means of oppression or the means of production as a group. Therefore, they do not have a greater power than someone in the global south has.
No, it is not. Black people cannot in fact succeed as group in the imperial machine because the imperial machine is built in a way to avoid them from succeeding. That is part of systematic racism. I am not taking away their agency. The system is. You cannot will away the barriers that are put into place to prevent this.
I have no words for this comment. Systematic racism is put into place because they are not mindless puppets. It is put into place to prevent capable and smart people from climbing to the top such that the dominant group can stay in power.
America is made such that the power and the means of production stays in the hands of the descendants of the Europeans.
Sure in the hypothetical scenario that black people as group could get their hands in the means of production and the means of oppression, and use them to oppress other races, then yes, they would be racists. But in the world that we live in, that is not the case, and it is made such that it never happens. Therefore, black people cannot be racist.
Can black people be Europhobic, Asianphobic, or discriminatory against any other group, yes. But, racism entails a power dynamic that black people lack of as a group, therefore, they cannot be racist.
Capitalism props itself up with white supremacy, colonialism, patriarchy, and so on. Yes, the average black person in the US lives a materially better life than someone in the developing world, but that doesn’t mean that America is any less white supremacist. Obama being the president for 8 years doesn’t suddenly mean that the US isn’t a white supremacist country.
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Yeah read Settlers please this is a dumb take
What is Settlers about?
Basically it dispels the myths behind the “white proletariat” (it’s part of the title actually) and delves deep into the history of settler colonialism in the US.
White leftists don’t like it cause Sakai tells them they aren’t and never have been the main character.
What is “the White proletariat”?
Precisely that- a myth. History claims that the working class of Europe came over to the Americas that were empty and wild and built an entire country out of the ashes, when in reality most settlers that originally came here were petit bourgeois seeking to become bourgeois themselves as the contradictions of capitalism were piling up in Europe and causing more and more people to be wage slaves, which apparently was a fate worse than death to them.
All of this is in Settlers so do yourself a favor and read it