This is another example of US centrism.
This is politics@lemmy.WORLD.
From the name there is no indication that this wouldn’t be about world politics.
Please rename the community or change the subject to world politics and create a community like uspolitics@lemmy.world.
As an American that came from Reddit I completely agree. I never went to r/politics on Reddit for the same reason. Sixteen posts about some stupid shit Trump did or bullshit about Hunter Biden that I could not give two shits about. “Hunter Biden has porn! How scandalous!” While there is literally fucking riots and wars going on around the world because of political issues.
I see US politics as the biggest reality show ever produced. Nothing is about governing just shitting on the people from the other side.
All articles and discussion are about what the other side is doing wrong (hint: everything).
Kayfabe.
Thanks for the new word. Interesting etymology.
Exactly what I thought.
Thats is politics on the same level as me calling you a stupid poopface. Political in a sense that everything is political but nothing more.
I agree. The name is really US-centrist. Not giving good vibes.
Bitch, other countries use english too. No country should have dibs on general words to represent something that conserns, in this case, only one country.
I have noticed the same thing about US government websites end in .gov I think no government should have that privledge. Other governments use english too. Could US officials take their head out of their asses and use an ending like .usgov
Well Americans did develop most of the advances and the first internet is from DARPA. Would seem to make sense that they took the .gov TLD. I doubt they even knew how popular it would become. Can you really be upset about that?
Also please look at this link on the TLD and noticed it was established in 1985 and administered by the US itself.
IRC there’s a museum in Paris which proudly shows all the inventions made by the French. It’s worth a visit, simply because you’ll likely have been taught plenty of them were American inventions. If you’re a Brit, you’ll have been taught many of those same inventions were British.
Jingoism and claiming inventions go hand in hand.
So if you visit a French museum and exhibit on the internet, they’d likey focus on Rémi Després, who was cited by Kahn and Cerf in their paper which IRC proposed the concept of TCP/IP. If you visit a British museum, they’ll spend more time discussing Tim Berners-Lee and the world wide web. A Russian museum might mention Sary Shagan, who helped develop computer networks in the 1950s or they might mention OGAS a 1960s plan for a nationwide computer network.
It’s the same for things like radio, the telephone, mobile telephones or television. Depending on who you ask, the country that invented it changes.
The reality is often more nuanced and complicated.
Great work on following up with examples, very informative.
It is doubtful that any meaningful research can be attested to a single country since globalisation. Every technological marvel you see is the result of international research collaborations from dozens of universities, institutes and corporations around the world. It’s very egocentric to assume that the U.S. is the only or the dominant motor of innovation.
I don’t disagree with you, but it doesn’t negate that the first “Internet” was a US military project which was then taken over by predominately US universities and they created the TLD in 1985 before another country did.
Or .gov.us, like every other country uses their tld, like .gov.uk. Only the US is conceited enough to not use their own tld.
It looks like you do get first dibs on shizzle you invent. The UK is the only country that does not put the name of the country on their postage stamps, because when they started using them there was no other issuer.
I agree but looking at the community’s avatar and intro I think it is a lost cause.
"Welcome migrating redditors to the new US political news community. "
But it’s not in the url and it’s not in the name.
Again, I agree but the mention of reddit tells me they are just trying to recreate r/politics in the fediverse.
When I first saw m/politics I knew it would be US centric.
The saddest thing I see here is people creating clones of subs, making themselves the mod and the subs lie empty as they don’t want to actually create content just be a mod. They are not creating a community, they are just name squatting.
I doubt it’d even due to cloning. It’s just due to how Americans refer to politics. America is much more insulted from world events, so world politics is less talked about except in how it affects America. News stations, media, television, academia, everything, generally refers to it as “politics”.
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules. It’s mob mentality and censorship. It is in violation of the fediverse principles. I even agree the naming convention would be better, but I don’t think it should happen unless the admins make a rule.
Ultimately, that being said, this is a terrible precedent to overthrow a community that has broken no rules.
What?
I don’t see any pitchforks being waved in the thread.
Can you point to a comment that even vaguely suggests what you claim?
It’s mob mentality and censorship.
What?
Asking (politely) a sub name to reflect its content is mob mentality and censorship.?
This is not the first post on the topic.
Edit: if you wanted to ask nicely, you ask the mods. Not the literal population. The population can only affect change through one means. The mods can change it through another. Social dynamics are a thing. You reading the word “please” doesn’t make it polite. Especially since you yourself made denigrating comments in this post on the topic already. Don’t act dumb.
Petition the admins to create community rules. Otherwise I see no issue. I don’t follow it, but I also don’t think you can steam roll a community that hasn’t broken any rules simply because of your feelings.
Yes finally good thread. Please don’t just copy and paste reddit communities like this. This is an international community, so if you want to discuss US politics, name it like this at least. We don’t need to copy the dumb stuff from reddit.
But wait what’s going to happen to !anime_titties@lemmy.world then?
Hopefully it will die and something like /geopolitics will take over.
I call it RCS (reddit clone syndrome).
Rather than let this place grow organically and have its own traditions and in jokes a group of people seem determined to make a clone of the place they recently left.
The name swapping was funny, but it was never practical. Many people who should find it or want to find it ended up not. Not only is there a name barrier, there’s also a barrier to them just clicking away or not engaging. World politics should be the more visible one compared to US politics anyway. Many people, especially Americans, would benefit from learning what politics is like in other parts of the world.
Oh dang I forgot about that sub!
Only good things. It’s name will represent what’s posted - quality content
All political discussions should be welcome here. Just don’t complain when 75% of the posts still revolve around the US simply out of the sheer size of the country.
This is the sanest take.
People get mad about the amount of US news, but forget the US is essentially 52 (or more if we broke up by sheer size, or by populations or cultures) countries.
Totally agree. Either change it to something like USPolitics@lemmy.world or change the focus to world politics. There is so much more stuff going on around the globe politically, having everything ‘default’ to the US is such a myopic point of view.
According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, lemmy.world isn’t even hosted in the US, but instead in Africa.
The creator is a Netherlender.
Interesting, I wonder what the rationale is behind that?
Why it’s hosted in Africa? First, it’s just the data reported on fediverse.observer. I am not totally sure it’s correct. But if it is, it’s probably to avoid regulation/legal issues.
What if… There happens an uprising and people just start using this community for wold politics? Would be cool first lemmy sub drama
Petition the admins to create rules and apply them retroactively. Otherwise any other attempt to force your will is in violation of the fediverse. The community did not break any rules and sometimes shit sucks. Feelings don’t get you what you want. I agree the naming convention would be better. But it’s still entirely arbitrary. Shouldn’t a community just called “politics” discuss political science and the concept of politics? It didn’t say “worldpolitics” either. If someone created a “baseball” community and dedicated it to US baseball, I’d agree the name isn’t the best, but there are no names. Lemmy.world said it’s open to anyone. It never said it’s communities needed to follow any arbitrary naming conventions.
You’re right. It would be better. But a lot of things would be better in the world. Create a world politics community elsewhere. Everyone complaining about one single instance are not understanding the fediverse to begin with.
Isn’t that just the server instance?
Someone make a USpolitics sub but with politics about the whole world except the US
I like that idea!
Me too, that could be a funny lighthearted response to this.
@Sniatch if you make it (since you’re the one on lemmy.world, and it kind of has to be there) I will try to supply some content.
I come across a lot of non US politics that is too local/random/confusing for me to post elsewhere so I could send it there.
Edit: nevermind, looks like it already exists and has some US posts.
Please don’t kickstart a shitton of memey sub names like reddit. The correct thing to do is change this sub’s rules/name
I completely agree. But this is also just a case of who is posting/voting. It’s not a conspiracy to exclude the rest of the world. It’s just happening based on who is populating the community.
US-based news outlets almost exclusively cover the US. US schools focus heavily on US history and current events. Shit, even when a world event happens, we count victims by nationality! “Two Americans (were among the 198) dead today in…” is not an uncommon framing device for “international” stories (are they even international stories if they’re told that way? It’s debatable). We US-based people simply don’t know much better. I know this is a smaller sampling of the nerdier, more intellectual Americans, but we are still affected by our upbringing and access to information. Even world news leans heavily in our direction (in the english-speaking world, at least. As well as the Spanish-speaking world—those are the only two I can give my opinion on, anyway).
Blame capitalism. We output so much media and tasty bits of insanity that focusing on the US is profitable and entertaining.
Point being, I agree, but I’m not ignoring or voting down any actual news from elsewhere. I’ve just don’t really see it. I’d be happy to see it change, but it starts with the people who post the news. I’ll support you in your quest to post more. But until then…I mean, you’re pointing out just a trend, not an effort by everyone to exclude information. Go ahead and post! You have my vote.
The issue is not with a majority of the content being from somewhere. The issue is with the rules of this community:
Welcome migrating redditors to the new US political news community. Please read our rules
- Must be articles relevant to US political news.
Oh shit, my mistake. That’s really fuckin’ dumb. You now have that last 2% of my support behind you.
I had commented a long-winded opinion a few minutes ago, it probably doesn’t matter, but I’ve been sitting here wondering for the last 20 minutes…
Why does this matter to you, or to anybody? I’m not trying to be judgemental, I do not understand it.
Do you feel like there should be rules about community names? That they should have to be as descriptive as possible woth the name, or something like that?
I’m not sure why it would matter if communities want to name themselves anything at all, and many communities are intentionally named something completely different than what the community is for. Do you think that shouldn’t be allowed, or is it just situations like with this community where you see an issue?
Personally I really don’t think the names matter, one way or the other. I’m really only against this community changing because I wanted a US politics community in the first place, and if this stops being that, I’ll have to go find another one.
I didn’t agree when people tried to insist subreddits with certain names should be obligated to try to be as nuetral an interpretation of their names as possible, but here on lemmy, this concern is even more silly.
On reddit, another /r/politics couldn’t be made, and there was a valid argument that they were preventing anyone else from using the generic name more appropriately, essentially holding it hostage. But, I already didn’t think it was a big enough deal to really matter, many other possible names continued to be available for a more generic subreddit.
Here on lemmy this is a complete non-issue. You can make a /c/politics on any instance you like, and you can start your own instance if you don’t like any available. The only difference would be subscribers and participation, but the subscribers that are here are here for a US politics sub, that’s what it was when they joined, changing it would not be ok with many of them.
If you want a world politics community with subscribers you have to start one and get people to join.
And lemmy.world is just the instance name, it has no indication of theme for the communities it hosts
