• GodlessCommie@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Claiming to support a better system while refusing to abandon the current one that doesn’t work is performative. Biden does not believe in rule of law or the rights of humans. He and the DNC needs to be abandoned.

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      6 months ago

      Difference is, if you vote for Trump or just don’t vote and Trump gets back in, that will make it WAY harder to change the system.

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        6 months ago

        This is whats called bullshit hyperbole. Your statement assumes that if we vote blue hard enough the DNC they will change course and become representatives of the working class, and that reform can come from within the party. 50 years of ‘lesser evil’ has gone from indiscriminately locking up black men to full on genocide, and voters solution is reelect the people doing it.

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          6 months ago

          No, my point was that letting trump back in would make any and all change nigh impossible for the foreseeable future

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            6 months ago

            No it won’t. There’s this insane idea among liberals that everything democrats do take time and small incremental steps. And everything Republicans do is instant and everlasting.

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      6 months ago

      Sorry, but that’s not how democratic systems that use first past the post voting work.

      The system is working as designed, the issue is that half the voting base and therefore the average independent voter has been slowly and unknowingly becoming more susceptible to choosing fascism for decades due to declining economy, increasing corporate power on a global scale, and well funded propaganda from the right.

      Biden can’t go further left or he wouldn’t have won the democratic primary, remember Bernie? Even the democrat voters decided against him, with the help of some influence (The DNC counts as a corporation too).

      Our current situation is literally what our country voted for. Changing the system isn’t going to fully fix that.

      Now if 90% of the votes went to the left for whatever reason this next election or two (and local elections), then the current right collapses and the landscape shifts back to left. Maybe we would even get an actual left party in about 8 years. We’re hardly voting for a person, but rather an entire branch of government. And you can’t get elected without votes.

      Will any of that happen? Probably not, but in a democratic system, we aren’t getting out of this garbage pile unless the majority of VOTERS reject it. Or a unified strike, or a revolution… The point is there needs to be serious majority support, and right now they’re pretty comfortable with the fascists.

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        6 months ago

        Funny how it’s always vote blue no matter who, whenever it’s a moderate running, but those very same moderates can’t suck it up and vote for a progressive. You literally just said that he wouldn’t get moderate Democratic votes if he went to the left.

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        A majority of us have decided to reject it by abandoning the DNC and their Blue fascist candidates. It hasnt been the independents choosing fascism, its been democrats accepting what they think is lesser evil for over 50 years. Your evil is so large it towers over people like Reagan