They shoud limit the deathtoll by suing for peace instead of continuing to send peoples dying in a war they can’t win. How is it such a hot take to you that humman lives are more important than imaginary lines on a map?
You know who could limit or remove that deathtoll really quick? That would be russia, you know, the ones who rolled into a country with war on their minds and started the whole deathtoll thing.
Why do you expect anybody else to act here? Or is russia untouchable in your view?
This is pure wishfull thinking. It doesn’t matter what you or I want or would like to happen, a country that is decisively winning a war wont just stop and go home before having secured a peace deal from the other side. This idea that Russia could simply leave is not realistic. Russia would suffer a net loss if they withdrew for no reason like this, and the Russian politicians obviously wont chose that when they already realized most of their military objectives. Ukraine on the other hand has litteraly no reason to keep fighting. It can’t be overstated: they are losing. Dispite all of the military aid from the US and EU and all the economic sanctions on Russia, the frontline has bearly moved since the strikes on Kiev; even being so generous that you ignore the fact that Russia hasn’t commited nearly has much to the war as Ukraine did proportionally, the situation could only be described at best as a standstill. Now, after almost two years of war, Russia has successfully wiggled out of western sanctions, now selling/buying to India and China most of what they used to sell/buy to Europe, Western aid to Ukraine have dwindled hard, with the US’s contribution, Ukraine’s biggest supplier until recently, being now a pitifull fraction of what it was in 2022. Not to mention that multiple western countries have admited that they ran out of things to send to Ukraine and are starting to shift their attention away from it anyway with the Israel stuation. With all of that and the failure of the 2023 counteroffencive Ukraine definitely lost any chance of winning the war.
At this point, all Ukraine is doing by continuing to send soldiers to the meatgrinder is increasing the deathtoll for nothing. The war will end with Russia taking The Donbass, Luhansk, and possibly the whole coast, regardless of how many zeros the Ukrainian deathtoll has. The only REALISTIC thing that can put an end to the war is a peace deal on Russia’s terms. Now matter how much you say that “Russia could just stop”, that’s not happening.
It’s also importent to be aware that there would never have been a war in the first place without western meddleing. As soon as the maidan coup happened the region was doomed for conflict, the west stirred up conflict on purpose with the hope of weakening Russia without them having to fight directly. Russia tried to propose deals with Ukraine that would only impose them to stay neutral and not get involved with NATO, Ukraine often showed iterest in signing, but every time, some western politician flew to where the talks were happening and for some reason Ukraine changed their mind just after. Pretending that only Russia is at fault is ignorant of the geopolitical situation in the region, as expected from westerners who probably didn’t even know Ukraine existed before 2022.
Fucking thank you. When i tried to say that this current war had some historical context of US/nato meddling, i was called a tankie.
I don’t even care for or support either side, i simply said it has a historical context, the same as the 7 october attacks in Israel had a historical context.
Finaly a non communist aware that the war started for actual geopolitical reasons and not just because Putin is evil. That’s a rare sight around here.
Don’t mind the tankie calling to much, it has become a miningless term radlibs call litteraly anyone they disagree with, just like how right winger call everyone they disagree with “woke” or “SJW”. I’ve seen some of these clowns call anarchists and even right wingers tankies, no joke.
Thanks, being called a tankie didn’t bother me. It just took me by surprise because i wasn’t even saying anything untrue.
Honestly I’m learning more from hexbear and lemmygrad than lemmy.world, amongst others. I had a vague idea about the geopolitics and history of certain areas but the posts and discussions on there really shed a lot of light on that. And a lot is freely available information if you want to search for it. On the other instance they’ll rather spit venom at each other than exchange information.
Ok, not everyone is bad on lemmy.world, but I’ve come across the most hateful, asinine users there.
Nice to hear friend. You’re welcome on our evil tankie lair anytime .
And, yeah, although there is your occasional resonable folks like yourself .world especialy and lemmy.ml to a somewhat lesser extent are very full of “scratched liberals” as the saying goes.
So you’re just going to ignore the fact that this all started as a simultaneous result of the Five-Eyed Empire blatantly flouting the Minsk Accords multiple times, and then couping the last Ukranian president to install a neonazi regime; all to the end of letting NATO encircle and exterminate Russia. You’re literally worthless to discuss geopolitics with if you just approach from a settler’s tabula rasa.
Ah yes. Those mystical neonazis. Flouting you say! Oh my. Not flouting! Definitely a reason to invade and level towns. Just, you know, flouting with cruise missles. Te-he. Totally.
Russia can try all the gaslighting they want, but the true fact is that Russia invaded. Not NATO. Not Ukraine. They don’t like the war. They can leave.
Plus, only reason NATO is expanding is because Russia is a shitty neighbor. They should try being less a shitty dictatorship. Oh and not invade other countries. Pretty easy…
They had a peace deal laid out in front of them. That peace deal was orders better than the status quo today, nevermind where the war will be a year from now.
so they should just become putin’s bitchboys instead?
They shoud limit the deathtoll by suing for peace instead of continuing to send peoples dying in a war they can’t win. How is it such a hot take to you that humman lives are more important than imaginary lines on a map?
You know who could limit or remove that deathtoll really quick? That would be russia, you know, the ones who rolled into a country with war on their minds and started the whole deathtoll thing.
Why do you expect anybody else to act here? Or is russia untouchable in your view?
This is pure wishfull thinking. It doesn’t matter what you or I want or would like to happen, a country that is decisively winning a war wont just stop and go home before having secured a peace deal from the other side. This idea that Russia could simply leave is not realistic. Russia would suffer a net loss if they withdrew for no reason like this, and the Russian politicians obviously wont chose that when they already realized most of their military objectives. Ukraine on the other hand has litteraly no reason to keep fighting. It can’t be overstated: they are losing. Dispite all of the military aid from the US and EU and all the economic sanctions on Russia, the frontline has bearly moved since the strikes on Kiev; even being so generous that you ignore the fact that Russia hasn’t commited nearly has much to the war as Ukraine did proportionally, the situation could only be described at best as a standstill. Now, after almost two years of war, Russia has successfully wiggled out of western sanctions, now selling/buying to India and China most of what they used to sell/buy to Europe, Western aid to Ukraine have dwindled hard, with the US’s contribution, Ukraine’s biggest supplier until recently, being now a pitifull fraction of what it was in 2022. Not to mention that multiple western countries have admited that they ran out of things to send to Ukraine and are starting to shift their attention away from it anyway with the Israel stuation. With all of that and the failure of the 2023 counteroffencive Ukraine definitely lost any chance of winning the war.
At this point, all Ukraine is doing by continuing to send soldiers to the meatgrinder is increasing the deathtoll for nothing. The war will end with Russia taking The Donbass, Luhansk, and possibly the whole coast, regardless of how many zeros the Ukrainian deathtoll has. The only REALISTIC thing that can put an end to the war is a peace deal on Russia’s terms. Now matter how much you say that “Russia could just stop”, that’s not happening.
It’s also importent to be aware that there would never have been a war in the first place without western meddleing. As soon as the maidan coup happened the region was doomed for conflict, the west stirred up conflict on purpose with the hope of weakening Russia without them having to fight directly. Russia tried to propose deals with Ukraine that would only impose them to stay neutral and not get involved with NATO, Ukraine often showed iterest in signing, but every time, some western politician flew to where the talks were happening and for some reason Ukraine changed their mind just after. Pretending that only Russia is at fault is ignorant of the geopolitical situation in the region, as expected from westerners who probably didn’t even know Ukraine existed before 2022.
Fucking thank you. When i tried to say that this current war had some historical context of US/nato meddling, i was called a tankie.
I don’t even care for or support either side, i simply said it has a historical context, the same as the 7 october attacks in Israel had a historical context.
Finaly a non communist aware that the war started for actual geopolitical reasons and not just because Putin is evil. That’s a rare sight around here.
Don’t mind the tankie calling to much, it has become a miningless term radlibs call litteraly anyone they disagree with, just like how right winger call everyone they disagree with “woke” or “SJW”. I’ve seen some of these clowns call anarchists and even right wingers tankies, no joke.
Thanks, being called a tankie didn’t bother me. It just took me by surprise because i wasn’t even saying anything untrue.
Honestly I’m learning more from hexbear and lemmygrad than lemmy.world, amongst others. I had a vague idea about the geopolitics and history of certain areas but the posts and discussions on there really shed a lot of light on that. And a lot is freely available information if you want to search for it. On the other instance they’ll rather spit venom at each other than exchange information.
Ok, not everyone is bad on lemmy.world, but I’ve come across the most hateful, asinine users there.
Nice to hear friend. You’re welcome on our evil tankie lair anytime
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And, yeah, although there is your occasional resonable folks like yourself .world especialy and lemmy.ml to a somewhat lesser extent are very full of “scratched liberals” as the saying goes.
So you’re just going to ignore the fact that this all started as a simultaneous result of the Five-Eyed Empire blatantly flouting the Minsk Accords multiple times, and then couping the last Ukranian president to install a neonazi regime; all to the end of letting NATO encircle and exterminate Russia. You’re literally worthless to discuss geopolitics with if you just approach from a settler’s tabula rasa.
Ah yes. Those mystical neonazis. Flouting you say! Oh my. Not flouting! Definitely a reason to invade and level towns. Just, you know, flouting with cruise missles. Te-he. Totally.
Russia can try all the gaslighting they want, but the true fact is that Russia invaded. Not NATO. Not Ukraine. They don’t like the war. They can leave.
Plus, only reason NATO is expanding is because Russia is a shitty neighbor. They should try being less a shitty dictatorship. Oh and not invade other countries. Pretty easy…
Yea i tend to ignore bullshit
They had a peace deal laid out in front of them. That peace deal was orders better than the status quo today, nevermind where the war will be a year from now.