but like she clearly doesn’t want to kill people, what you’re saying is effectively that people should be entirely determined by their genetics and have no say in the matter, which is… rather fucked up?
it gets extra terrible when we remember that a significant chunk of humanity is born with evolutionary traits specifically evolved to help hunter-gatherer tribes, i don’t think people with ADHD and autism want to be compared to someone who kills everyone she touches…
She doesn’t want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong. There is no societal precedent for someone with her ability. If a shark was raised to believe it was a tuna it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a shark.
And I know for a fact that ADHD people don’t appreciate the fact they have to medicate to be valued in their society.
Edit: but can’t you just except that I am on magnetos side, professor x?
She doesn’t want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong.
Yeah, something about perpetuating your own species seems like a logical reason to teach people that.
Also, most people instinctively do not want to kill. That’s why military training has to cram the idea of “you have to kill people” down their trainees’ throats, and reportedly many still don’t pull the trigger when they see they will actually end up killing someone.
Honestly, this makes me worry about you and what you’ve done or plan to do.
We’re talking about fictional characters. Rogues mutation has the potential to spur a new species of human. Her progeny will define a whole evolutionary line. Your simple mindedness makes me worried people like you vote.
Rogues only obligation is to preserve the traits she has been given for survival of her offspring.
This is a really good question. Does her power affect the fetus? Is she doomed to always have a miscarriage? Could you solve the abortion issue by figuring out when hew power activates?
Like I mentioned before there are instances where rogue has complete control. Also she could find a suitable mate that is powerful enough to withstand her power.
Edit: I’m glad I could introduce someone to the driving conflict in xmen. Your welcome.
Taxonomy works in retrospect. We don’t classify new species nor branches until they already exist. We can’t simply predict.
A species is defined as a group that can interbreed and produce viable, fertile offspring. Mules for instance aren’t a distinct species because they are largely infertile. This is why we classify in retrospect.
4.5. As a result it’s impossible to know if Rogue would even constitute a new species. She would need to be capable of having children who can have children with each other. And I don’t even want to get into how fucked up the implications of that are. It also means that if Rogue or her children could have viable offspring with ordinary humans, they cannot be different species.
Even if she was a whole new species, Rogue would probably not be an entirely separate Genus either. She would likely be Homo still. The split for her species wouldn’t go that high up in taxonomy.
An organism is not only obligated to preserve its specific traits. It’s obligated to preserve as many traits similar to its own as possible. This is why you’ll see family groups in nature work together. Uncles and aunts will nurture their nieces and nephews because a substantial portion of their own genetics lives on in their siblings’ progeny. They can still pass on some of their traits in that way.
6.5. This is why some people think gay people exist, from an evolutionary perspective. A tribe with 12 adults and 5 children is able to better provide for their collective kids than a tribe of 12 adults and 6 children. Some of the gay people’s DNA is still in their nieces and nephews.
Sometimes you don’t need to even share genetics with someone else. Completely unrelated cat moms will raise their litters together, because it raises their chance of survival overall.
This is all basic college biology. You should be able to find it fairly easily.
I would argue Rogue would does not benefit from society and remaining lowers her chance of survival because ordinary humans want to kill mutants. See magnetos origin story. Without Professor X’s intervention Rogue would have been killed or she would would have embraced her powers and fought for survival.
As for if she would be a new species, you don’t have to inbreed it would just be a natural part of population growth. It eventually becomes inevitable.
That’s the definition of a new species however. Until Rogue’s progeny can no longer have viable offspring with anyone except themselves, they aren’t a separate species, let alone genus. This is why dog breeds aren’t different species. They may be different, but they can still have children together that can go on to have other children.
I would also argue this is a fictional version of evolution where giant fantastical leaps in genetics are possible and you can’t really apply evolution theory as we currently understand it. I do accept my understanding is limited so I did change my OP but really some of this stuff may be decided if we get deeper into xmen lore.
but like she clearly doesn’t want to kill people, what you’re saying is effectively that people should be entirely determined by their genetics and have no say in the matter, which is… rather fucked up?
it gets extra terrible when we remember that a significant chunk of humanity is born with evolutionary traits specifically evolved to help hunter-gatherer tribes, i don’t think people with ADHD and autism want to be compared to someone who kills everyone she touches…
She doesn’t want to kill people because society has taught her that killing is wrong. There is no societal precedent for someone with her ability. If a shark was raised to believe it was a tuna it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a shark.
And I know for a fact that ADHD people don’t appreciate the fact they have to medicate to be valued in their society.
Edit: but can’t you just except that I am on magnetos side, professor x?
Yeah, something about perpetuating your own species seems like a logical reason to teach people that.
Also, most people instinctively do not want to kill. That’s why military training has to cram the idea of “you have to kill people” down their trainees’ throats, and reportedly many still don’t pull the trigger when they see they will actually end up killing someone.
Honestly, this makes me worry about you and what you’ve done or plan to do.
Lol
We’re talking about fictional characters. Rogues mutation has the potential to spur a new species of human. Her progeny will define a whole evolutionary line. Your simple mindedness makes me worried people like you vote.
Rogues only obligation is to preserve the traits she has been given for survival of her offspring.
Edit: corrected terminology
What progeny? How can she even reproduce?
This is a really good question. Does her power affect the fetus? Is she doomed to always have a miscarriage? Could you solve the abortion issue by figuring out when hew power activates?
Like I mentioned before there are instances where rogue has complete control. Also she could find a suitable mate that is powerful enough to withstand her power.
Edit: I’m glad I could introduce someone to the driving conflict in xmen. Your welcome.
Such as? And why would she have sex with that person just for that reason? Do you think she’s some sort of mating robot?
Shhhh he’s getting now to the juicy details of breedable rogue lore /s
I think we’re getting into Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex territory.
Donor sperm is a thing…
A surrogate from whom? Touching the fetus would kill it.
There’s a lot wrong with what you just said.
It’s “Genus”.
Homo is the genus, Sapiens is the species.
Taxonomy works in retrospect. We don’t classify new species nor branches until they already exist. We can’t simply predict.
A species is defined as a group that can interbreed and produce viable, fertile offspring. Mules for instance aren’t a distinct species because they are largely infertile. This is why we classify in retrospect.
4.5. As a result it’s impossible to know if Rogue would even constitute a new species. She would need to be capable of having children who can have children with each other. And I don’t even want to get into how fucked up the implications of that are. It also means that if Rogue or her children could have viable offspring with ordinary humans, they cannot be different species.
Even if she was a whole new species, Rogue would probably not be an entirely separate Genus either. She would likely be Homo still. The split for her species wouldn’t go that high up in taxonomy.
An organism is not only obligated to preserve its specific traits. It’s obligated to preserve as many traits similar to its own as possible. This is why you’ll see family groups in nature work together. Uncles and aunts will nurture their nieces and nephews because a substantial portion of their own genetics lives on in their siblings’ progeny. They can still pass on some of their traits in that way.
6.5. This is why some people think gay people exist, from an evolutionary perspective. A tribe with 12 adults and 5 children is able to better provide for their collective kids than a tribe of 12 adults and 6 children. Some of the gay people’s DNA is still in their nieces and nephews.
This is all basic college biology. You should be able to find it fairly easily.
I would argue Rogue would does not benefit from society and remaining lowers her chance of survival because ordinary humans want to kill mutants. See magnetos origin story. Without Professor X’s intervention Rogue would have been killed or she would would have embraced her powers and fought for survival.
As for if she would be a new species, you don’t have to inbreed it would just be a natural part of population growth. It eventually becomes inevitable.
That’s the definition of a new species however. Until Rogue’s progeny can no longer have viable offspring with anyone except themselves, they aren’t a separate species, let alone genus. This is why dog breeds aren’t different species. They may be different, but they can still have children together that can go on to have other children.
I would also argue this is a fictional version of evolution where giant fantastical leaps in genetics are possible and you can’t really apply evolution theory as we currently understand it. I do accept my understanding is limited so I did change my OP but really some of this stuff may be decided if we get deeper into xmen lore.
Fair enough, but we can’t use irl biological justifications in that case.
i… i think you need to go watch crash course’s videos on genomics and evolution, this isn’t how evolution works.
also nice personal insult there, definitely makes people want to listen to anything you have to say
Dude literally questioned my morals based on my opinions about xmen. Why don’t you go scold him.