Venat [he/him, any]

welcome back! o/

There was a youtube link in my recommendations about the beginning of the disintegration of Israel, by Ilan Pappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkbhEzwd-8

How plausible is his argument? He seems rather certain.

I don’t know, that thread looks like ignorance being replaced by knowledge and context; it looks like deprograming of past propaganda despite any detractors using the old messaging, cliches, slogans, and talking points. The discussion there genuinely seems to be earnest and unindulgent of Zionism and its talking points, with corrective information and argument dispelling the impressions people once had about Israel and Zionism.

I think this marks a turning point where people no longer regard Israel as sacred, and are beginning to see - and entirely due to Israel’s own open, brazen, and genocidal actions and rhetoric following October 7th 2023 - Israel as what it is as defined by its own actions, and not its impression.

Isn’t that the state though? The state is the avatar, the apparatus, the tool and apparatus of the dominant political class of a given polity. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a government position, agency, or NGO/NPO connected thereof.

I think it was when they were covering the DNC? It was fairly recent. I cna’t recall the exact episode, but one of those DNC coverage episodes.

Brace talks about it briefly; he just says that Americans are exhausted from actually engaging in politics and that’s just not where they were. He was dryly describing a situation rather than lamenting it or admonishing Americans for their apathy and resignation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfVqEFIPFoc

A nostalgia for the year 2014:

I disagree. It isn’t effective propaganda but a quick slogan to dismiss criticism. If its not Russian disinformation, it’d be “conservative propaganda” or performative and ceremonial politics like it was during the Obama administration. The heart of the sentiment is indifference and annoyance.

In other words, “don’t make me think about politics”. Brace Belden mentioned this in a True anon episode a month ago, and a recent post on the_dredge_tank linked a redditor who echoed the same sentiment (despite working in politics and having a PhD thereof).

A sentiment articulated in that Red Sails article about propaganda, or how Morris Berman - an academic who describes the US - says that the “wool isn’t over American eyes, but they are the eyes”; which means American culture makes Americans inherently delusional and prone to refute any challenge to it. Americans have been under such cultural hypnosis likely as long as the post-independence period from Britain.

These generations of Americans want to believe in their idealized version of it to the detriment of everyone else, including themselves, because they themselves have it pretty good. Their material conditions do not prompt them to question the American civic religion.

Militarised citizenry

Isn’t that just the police now. I think they’re classified as civil servants too, not professional soldiers.

Did you see that r/trueanon post too

I understand your posts on this thread seem to underlie the assertion that the existence of a Palestinian people and their aspirations of agency, self-determination, and aegis of defense against oppression, apartheid, and genocide are an existential threat to the Jewish people.

A lie meant to dehumanize Palestinians and enable and encourage Israeli Jews to pursue genocide, which itself is a deformation of what Judaism itself stands for.

Your account is obviously a troll account, but I just wanted to point out not only your depravity but to the extent Zionism is so inherently heretical and deforming of Judaism. When people say Zionism is anti-Semitic, here it is.

I suppose sometimes elaboration is something I seek in Hexbear comments and posts. Otherwise we talk in cliches and phrases rather than elaborated thoughts; though my experience may not be the empirical reality of genuine intellectual exchange, understanding, and catharsis here on this site.

As in this example, liberals tend to present the trolley problem but we already know that these groups are slated for danger and disintegration because the ruling class has decided this to be normal. The trolley is multi-track drifting, the rails converge and destroy those groups inevitably and the only remedy is to stop the momentum of the train.

I was referring to the axiom and common knowledge being relied on to communicate with one another, the way friends or colleagues with similar politics and world views use short cut phrases and conversation to recycle and communicate interpretations and understandings of history and current events.

So to an outsider it comes off as vague and esoteric, even to those who come in good faith, or share our politics but are unfamiliar with the culture. In other words, my experience on some posts is the same phenomenon of trying to interpret a Blackmoldfuture post; an opening statement that looks like it belongs in the middle of an essay or conversation.

The problem isn’t our “dialogue” the problem is that we’re latched to the hip with a dollar store version of 4chan made up of uniquely uneducated people who thought post-2020 reddit was too “woke”, and we as a forum have a bad case of denial about it, because frankly it’s a little embarrassing in terms of association

Yeah, that’s a better way to put it. I was trying to be diplomatic but the topic at hand is too far severe to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

A large flaw in Hexbear’s dialogue is that it does not regard outsiders ignorance. Hexbear is mostly an insider group where established axioms and knowledge are shared as common knowledge, and therefore not entirely elaborated. It isn’t a substitute for dialogue, but becomes an echo chamber - fine in its own right - and stifles understanding of right and wrong to “vibes”.

We should know, intellectually and not only emotionally, why your assumption and the human rights attorney’s assumption are flawed.

Your assumption should lead to a question rather than a definitive conclusion. The question should be : How do persecuted groups in the US going to suffer under Biden & Harris?

Of course, the entire premise is that voting is the most important and sometimes sole act of political agency that can actually change the politics of the state. Ask yourself, is that true? Has not foreign and domestic policy remained consistent among administrations and Congresses in its degradation of quality of American life for the past 50 years?

Yeahhh…no…yeah… it’s-it’s like when you find a date on -intense clicking noises in the background - tinder but your car dealership has stopped selling parts for the Metal Gear, but it’s like we’re all children now and neoliberalism has turned us into babi- deeep vaping noises - and this is what DemoniusX has in mind for our future! it rules! it’s awesome! I love this Re Dwah of the Bush Era! I’ll use Gee-Aw-Sit-Tees to book us a hotel.

noo. :(

Sorry didn’t mean to be paternalistic/patronizing or weird I just really don’t like Chapo anymore/grew out of it

You’re right. Though it was not my intention to pedestal the nuclear family or building one as an ultimate goal, I suppose I was measuring the milestones of life through the parallels of responsibility and personal growth, and used that observation about him to mean that he sees a future and existence for himself outside of the podcast. And that sort of seriousness and forecasting is a mark of adulthood and maturity, from my perspective.

Will’s alright; I guess I was trying to not singularly focus on Felix.

Felix to me is my personal bogeyman, that despite success and affluence, he is seemingly incapable of escaping his adolescence in both his manner of speech, presentation, habits, and career. A “positive” identity is what a person identifies themselves by what they are, Felix has helped me form a “negative” identity by telling myself what I should not be.

I dunno. I just knew people like that, blessed by success or fortune from birth, and saw them spend their lives in adolescence way into their late 30s.

I just strongly dislike the man-children aspect of their dynamic, especially Felix who seems to be stuck emotionally as a burnout turned 27 year old gamer. Just everything about his speech mannerisms, his vocal fry, the limited vocabulary and adolescent presentation, the revelations of his habits, hygiene, and “hobbies” (i.e, gaming & internet addiction).

All this is of course excluding Chris Wade who seems to be the only professional, and Matt Christman who seems to be the only one moving forward with building a life and family.

It’s probably, most definitely if I was forced to make a decision and commitment, that I - perhaps you too - am just growing out of news podcasts as entertainment. Even long since 10/7, I kind of find these podcasts - Chapo, Trueanon, Trillbilllies, etc - to be a mix of “finding catharsis in the darkness via public broadcasting” and grifting the disintegration and decline of empire for affluence and notoriety.

Tony Soprano energy.

This really seems like Israel’s self-destructing. If they do carry out this attack, I assume that Iran would just close the straight of Hormuz and bomb oil production facilities in response too.

I wonder at what point would the US consider Israel more liability than asset too.