Not saying I disagree with you but you can imagine how strongly I feel about snaps being utter garbage then ;-)

Yeah, much as I really really love Fedora, I think the new RHEL source policies are going to hurt the Red Hat brand more than help it… I think Debian and Suse stand to benefit more from this than RH.

Also, I see most articles/people talking about this in terms of Alma and Rocky and I’m sure that’s part of it but does anyone else get the sense that this was more aimed at Oracle Linux to gtfo their asses and make their own shit? Nothing to back that up, was just my own gut feeling and curious what others think.

Edit: thought I’d add some context… just in case some of you haven’t been keeping up with the news, referring to this:

Phoronix: Red Hat Now Limiting RHEL Sources To CentOS Stream

Also related:

Rocky Linux Shares How They May Continue To Obtain The RHEL Source Code

Ah my bad then. I really hated new reddit so I avoided it like the plague. Haven’t really been on there since either.

I don’t think that really justifies a lot of the comments I’m seeing in Reddit alternatives threads that it’s hard to figure out.

Haven’t been back there and didn’t read the comments…

But I think I can understand to a degree:

• Too many choices: Picking an instance can be confusing for folks that are used to only having to remember 1 name. I personally think this is a bit like people trying Linux for the first time and getting confused by all the choices available. Basically, it’s what some people call “analysis paralysis” but add to that the fact that you’ll get 12 different recommendations from every 10 people you all (e.g. there’s no clear consensus on the “best” one bc “best” means something different to each person). I think one list I saw on GitHub literally had over 200 instances… For non-techies, I could see that being a bit confusing
• UI differences: some things like making a post on kbin are a bit different (IMO not bad but still different enough that I could see some folks getting confused). Doing searches on lemmy for specific topics (not finding communities but searching for something in a community) is done from a different area on lemmy than on Reddit and IMO is kind of a pain in the ass currently. And on kbin, frankly, I’m not even sure we have that feature at all.
• Missing features: haven’t tried mobile apps (which could again be another point of confusion) but for desktop at least, AFAIK we don’t have anything comparable to RES yet. There’s no analog to multireddits. And we don’t have anything similar to reddit’s Saved feature yet. All valid complaints in my opinion. And someone used to any or all of those, might spend a lot of time looking bc they just don’t know if it’s hidden or does not exist. So, yeah, I could see so confusion there too.

I think there are a lot of advantages they’re probably missing too. I like that kbin/lemmy we can choose whatever fucking avatar we want instead of being limited to customizing our snoz or wtf Reddit calls their mascot thing. I saw one guy mentioning how there’s no karma bullshit to deal with for new accounts and absolutely agree with that sentiment.

tealdeer; meh, I like the fediverse and it’s not hard for me but I’m not shitting on people who don’t get it. If they want help, would probably help but not going to push it on people either. It is what it is and that’s good enough for me

Press F to say “Fuck u/spez” ? lol

it’s not “my opinion” though, it’s something Beehaw’s owners have stated multiple times over the past however long have I had an account there.

Your opinion or theirs. It’s obvious that you agree with it. I’m not trying to persuade you to have a different opinion. I really don’t care.

I do appreciate you not hiding the fact that you are a member there.

But my point is that just because they give some rationale that sounds good at first glance, that doesn’t mean that I am incorrect either.

I think any group that is restricting registration of new users - regardless of their goals or justification - is being elitist because it is restricting to only people some select few in charge deem “worthy” or in some cases, such as tildes random invite drops with extremely short time-windows, are more likely to gather users in particular time zones/regions. Maybe you dislike me using the term “elitist” for this but to my thinking, they are essentially trying to create echo chambers and are considering large segments of the Internet population as undesirables. They can put a marketing spin on that and call it “weeding out racists” or creating a safe space whatever they want but it doesn’t change the underlying facts. I see plenty of sites that avoid these kind of things without resorting to such exclusionary tactics.

And if this comes across as me trying to pin that solely on beehaw, that’s not my intent. I feel equally so about tildes. Again, you may disagree. That’s fine. I don’t care either way. I am very passionate about free speech, even for those I dislike and disagree with. And it is less that I wish to look down on beehaw/tildes/etc and more that currently, my opinion of them is that they are promoting censored communities, which is something I am opposed to. Perhaps that isn’t actually the case, or maybe they will change things. My opinion isn’t set in stone, and I am happy to revise it if and when new information presents itself. But as things stand now, that is how I see things.

https://i.vgy.me/WvmUNs.jpg

Heh good one. Meant it more in the sense that they would probably not allow such a name there but yes, let’s go with me trying to be “edgy” ;-)

Anyway, as I said in my previous comment, I am not advocating to defederate with them. But if they later get butthurt about something on kbin and decide to defederate us, I doubt that I would even spare it a thought.

Edit: typos

Who wants to write and test the code patches? …

::silence so pure that it is almost a sound in itself::

You’re welcome to have your own opinions. But I think actions speak louder than words

And so far, based on their actions, IMO they are being a bit elitist. They can prioritize whatever they want… But by doing so, it becomes clear that they are not interested in the users leaving reddit, so I will not pity them when those users end up elsewhere.

Then again, I am not in the “p.c. language” camp - as anyone who bothered to read my screen name can tell immediately - and am probably not in the demographic they’re going for anyway.

If you are referring to this

I wouldn’t mind one bit if kbin/beehaw were defederated from each other

then, unless you have some insider knowledge, I think you may be mistaken. kbin and beehaw are not defederated … at least not yet.

federated = joined in an alliance, e.g. linked

defederated = not federated, e.g. blocked / censored / not linked

source: https://beehaw.org/instances

Linked Instances

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• kbin.social

I find it a bit ironic how so many people are pointing out how “growing is important to federation” specifically in reference to this… but at the same time, beehaw are one of the few sites that are against growth (as can bee seen by their requiring to get approved in order to join their server… which IMO is no better or worse than tilde’s invite requirement)… and, given the timing, it would seem that they are against hosting reddit refugees in particular.

Yes, you can claim it is for keeping beehaw’s site stable or curating users or plenty of other more palatable reasons. But at the end of the day, you are still turning users away. I have a lot of respect for kbin not closing its doors to new users, despite the load it is placing on their infrastructure.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind one bit if kbin/beehaw were defederated from each other (not advocating for it, just saying I wouldn’t care whatsoever if it happened on its own)

Agreed. Indexing helps a LOT for discovery both of new content and old answers alike … Would love to see kbin start showing up in search results instead of Reddit when trying to find answers to technical issues…

Discord seems like its gonna be the true reddit successor.

Not disagreeing that the masses will likely flock to it due to brand recognition and such …

But man does that make me sad too… Really hate how locked down Discord is in comparison (like you can’t even browse content without a login and using from the browser is painful compared to using a client). Add in their past (and possibly present) privacy issues and the fact that like Reddit, they are also a centralized site run by another greedy company and I feel like this is yet another recipe for disaster (albeit one that might take awhile to fully materialize)