She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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    Thank you!

    I thought I was crazy looking at all these posts… You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris. I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points… Trump kept spitting out “data” (lies, but the people who don’t pay much attention don’t know that) and so he appeared more knowledgeable than her, she just kept trying to attack him instead of actually responding to things… Hell, why did we keep the tarrifs? Why not just answer that for us?

    One bit that drove me up the wall was when he went on about all the court cases that he “won” and had dismissed… For fucks sake Kamala that’s the perfect opportunity to discuss the heritage foundation and the corruption of the courts! Goddamn “judge” Cannon was the piece of shit doing Trump’s bidding and tossing these cases… That’s a perfect example to provide to the people as to why court reform is important and she could have created a distinction between them, but no she goes back to a talking point that I can’t even remember what it was…

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      You have to watch this as someone who knows next to nothing about politics. In that frame, Trump seemed wayyyyy stronger than Harris.

      Look just say as an idiot, it’s way shorter. As an idiot, loud shouty man seemed stronger? If you have no life experience, sure. Loud shouty men look out of control with their emotions, weak, and easily manipulated…which is exactly how Trump seemed to anyone who wasn’t an idiot.

      Trump kept spitting out “data”

      Spittle isn’t data.

      Look, she didn’t do perfectly, but she also was alloted much less time and the breaks for commercials(?!) seemed to always screw her over. You’re never going to respond to every point in an angry gish gallop and she did about as good as anyone could in my opinion.

      I mean, for fuck’s sake, as the article says, he lost the exchange on the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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        But I don’t mean idiot, I meant what I said. If anything ignorant would be more concise and keep my meaning. If for some reason you don’t pay attention to politics but still find yourself watching the debate Trump seemed to have a lot of responses to criticism and “answers” to problems even if they were all lies.

        The end was absolutely infuriating, of course Trump gets the last word… “Why haven’t you done any of what you said you want to do already?”

        … because we have a fucking Republican Congress! Again any ignorant person wouldn’t recognize that and would accept what he said as truth. It makes sense in a way, if you’re in power now then why aren’t you doing something? That one is not Kamalas fault though, that’s ABC always letting Trump have the last word… :/

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          The end was absolutely infuriating, of course Trump gets the last word… “Why haven’t you done any of what you said you want to do already?”

          At times, I thought Trump made arguments like this because he thought it was a good tactic, but ultimately I think he just forgets that Congress is a part of the process at times.

          His closing statement was babbling and bordered on incoherent, so I was fine with him having the “last word”.

          He also kind of complemented her plans in it. “We’re going to do all of these wonderful things”.

          Overall, operation let him talk was a very bigly success IMO.

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      I was actually really disappointed at so many opportunities she passed up to lay down facts in favor of jumping on talking points

      So let’s say she corrects him on a lie. Then what? Correct the next one? The one after that? The one after that? Trump had more lies than Kamala had time.

      Responding to lie after lie after lie just lets him control the conversation. What she did was the best option available.

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      Oh yea, that was a debate point I hated too…she’s billing herself as the prosecutor, but when he started uttering complete bullshit about the cases he won, she didn’t go after it.

      Come on Kamala, fucking get him… that’s a underhanded softball pitch thrown by a 6 year old, kill it. Instead she took the safe single and went back to policy.