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    8 months ago

    No one enjoys it. That’s why it’s not called “going to fun”.

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      8 months ago

      Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

      Yet, some even still cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.

      Meanwhile, among those who describe work as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least the way it is generally imposed, requires the worker being subordinated.

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        8 months ago

        Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

        There are some jobs that suck, but they’re essential. Like maintaining sewers in big cities. It’s a miserable job, but if no one does it you’re going to have huge problems really fast.

        Supply and demand. There’s a high demand for workers of all sorts, but no employers want to pay the high price for having a worker on staff.

        It’s not that no one wants to work anymore, it’s that no employers want to pay people enough to live and people don’t want to be forced to work 90% of their week to still not make enough money to live.

        Business owners that don’t understand that are entitled and stupid.

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          8 months ago

          Why do you describe certain jobs, such as the ones you chose to mention, as being inherently miserable?

          The motive for my observation was to provoke reflection over the essential factors determining how we experience work.

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        8 months ago

        I understand and agree but memes like this and the whole “anti-work movement” are doing irreparable damage to any progress you could hope to make in “work reform”.

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            8 months ago

            I just explained my particular grievance in the comment you replied to.

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              You provided two different names, each representing collections of ideas and objectives that are extremely general and often nebulous or ambiguous, and you complained that someone is pursuing one to the detriment of the other.

              No more is plain from the text you wrote.

              I am asking you to offer further details over how you personally are understanding the particular terms, and perceiving the conflicts.

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        8 months ago

        Of course it does. No one enjoys cleaning sewer drains.

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          8 months ago

          My local sewer guy takes pride in his job. Not only does he care enough to know the entire sewer layout for every lot in town, he also cares enough about it to always provide the customer with a good offer. He just wants it done right. But it doesn’t just stop there. He is also the chairman for the sewer industry in the entire country, giving advice to all the other sewer companies, municipalities and other industries.

          No, he probably doesn’t particularly enjoy hosing down somebody’s fatberg, but him and his guys usually seem to have fun doing it anyway. He gets paid well be too.

          If I got half the pay for having half the fun and being able to take half the pride in what I do, I’d gladly accept the job.

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            8 months ago

            This isn’t a college class. I’m not writing a senior thesis. I have given an explanation and an argument, you just don’t like it.

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            8 months ago

            If they could automate it, they would have done so already.

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              Not at the level of food service industry, cashier’s and the like. Simply cuz automating gutter cleaning doesn’t make capitalists any money.

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                  The suggestion was that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform.

                  Your objection was that if such automation were possible to achieve and to implement, then they would have already done so.

                  Processes of production, and the utilization and development of machinery implicated in production, is determined by business owners, not by workers.

                  Business owners are bound by the profit motive, not by a motive to improve the experience of workers.

                  Any activity or objective not supported by the profit motive is simply discarded, under our current systems.

                  The meaningful suggestion is that workers (“we”) should seek to automate processes that workers prefer not to perform, even if business owners (“they”) have no motive for doing so.

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                    Buddy if you “we” could do that “we” never would have been employees in the first place.

                    If you think automation is not profitable then you vastly underestimate the costs of running a business and hiring human employees.