• helenslunch
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    3 months ago

    So why have womens sports then why not just let everyone compete in one division?

    Because that would be the end of female athletes.

    Same reason weight classes exist in some sports. Put a featherweight against a heavyweight of similar fitness and experience and it would be terribly boring and no one would care.

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        3 months ago

        Who has insane testosterone counts? Most trans women have <1nmol/L. The boundary at the olympic level is 10nmol/L

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          3 months ago

          You say that as if it’s true for all trans women. It isn’t. I agree with you however that the IOC’s solution introduced in 2003 works fine. The only reason it’s coming up now is because of politics.

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            3 months ago

            I explicitly said “most” and I stand by that. It is absolutely true for most trans women that their T levels are far below average cis women.

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          3 months ago

          Ok so we limmit the testosterone do we limmit the muscle growth from when the testosterone wasnt limmitted? Do we limmit the bone structure? Do we limmit the brain chemistry? How far do we go trying to define what is a woman and by doing that are we not excluding people?

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      3 months ago

      We if we have people who are men in all but name competing in womens sports that wont kill female athletes? There are undenyable differences when it comes to sport and i doubt trans athletes are getting surgery to change their bone structure are they? Either eliminate all female athletes and let trans athletes compete as women or dont u cant have both its called doublethink.

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      3 months ago

      Trans women have been competing in female sports for years and years, before 2016 and 2018 rule changes with regards to T levels (that no trans woman will have trouble meeting since their actual T level requirement is super high anyway) How come it wasn’t the end then?

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        3 months ago

        Because there weren’t many of them. No one thinks any random trans woman is going to destroy all biological women. That’s just not the way it works. For example, 100% of female athletes would destroy my fat male ass in just about any sport.

        But we’ve already seen specific sports dominated by specific trans women. Indoor cycling (Rachel McKinnon) and MMA (Fallon Fox) come to top of mind. We’ve seen amateur male powerlifters throw on a wig and call themselves a woman and smash olympic records in women’s sports.

        As trans women in general as well as trans women in sports becomes more and more accepted, that will continue to happen, until women’s sports are ended altogether.

        Simply put, if you deny that men are overwhelmingly better than women at sports, you’re putting feelings over facts. And only the feelings of one small group and ignoring the feelings of a much larger group.

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            3 months ago

            Just FYI, I reported this comment that literally threatened violence against me, and it was left untouched while mine was removed for “trolling”.

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            3 months ago

            Its my right and this dudes right to call whoever the fuck we want whatever the fuck we want its called free speach. U know what isnt a right tho? Threatening someone with violence thats not free speach (by legal definition). You are a supreme hipocryt who thinks the reasonable responce to someone calling a women a man (btw dude didnt do this he was talking about actuall men) is violence.

            Ohh and to ensure i hurt ur feewing your mother is fat old white man and your father is a schoolgirl. Get over it grow the fuck up and use your words like an adult.