White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.

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      It’s indeed a tragic situation. The deaths in Colorado might be related to the fact that the area is a popular training location for cyclists, particularly because of the high elevation, which can be beneficial for training the body to perform under lower oxygen conditions. This could lead to a higher number of cyclists on the roads, and subsequently, a greater risk of accidents.

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      I assume Colorado simply had a disproportionate number of cyclists on it’s roads. High altitude and good weather make it a great training ground for endurance athletes. It isn’t a coincidence that USA Cycling headquarters and the US Olympic Team’s main training center are both in Colorado Springs.

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      The bicyclists ride on the road with cars, not bike paths and trails. If they did that, they wouldn’t die, but they don’t want to.

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        We’d do that it’s there were bike paths. If cars didn’t run over cyclists cyclists also wouldn’t die

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            You are trying to blame the victims, and that’s not fair.

            People in cars also die on roads, so we can agree that cars are the problem.

            Also, these are pro level cyclists who can’t train on bike paths.

            Roads should be safe, and it’s not cyclists who are making it unsafe, it’s the cars. We need to find solutions that don’t punish victims.

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                So I am just trying to understand. Do you all bike on busy dangerous roads because you have the expectation no one will hit you, or do you just not consider how dangerous it is?

                Unfortunately, many of these crashes happen on NOT BUSY roads, like out in farm country and rural roads. Cyclists choose these roads specifically to be away from cars and “dangerous roads”, but drivers who speed or aren’t paying attention will kill you no matter where you ride!

                Riding in a large group can help to reduce risks, but it’s not even an option for everyone, especially if you are commuting. And even that can simply result in multiple fatalities or injuries when an inattentive driver is close by.

                Without any alternatives, except to ride on a road, what other option would a cyclist have? Not ride?

                Build cycling infrastructure and it becomes safer. Remove cars and it’s guaranteed to be safe.

                And when you consider that the majority of cycling (and pedestrian) fatalities occur in areas where cyclists and pedestrians are expected to be, including bike lanes or crosswalks, you really can’t keep blaming them for causing their own deaths.

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                    It sounds like you agree that cycling is extremely dangerous and that most fatalities happen in places where it’s expected that there are lots of cyclists.

                    Cycling is not extremely dangerous. Cars are extremely dangerous to everyone in or around them.

                    Per capita, car driver fatalities are dozens of times more common than pedestrian or cyclist fatalities.

                    Pedestrians and cyclists just happen to be killed by cars, not because walking or cycling is dangerous, but because cars are!

                    You have to admit that if it’s well known that cars are unsafe then cycling near them is also unsafe.

                    Should people just cycling indoors? I don’t understand where you’re going with this logic.

                    Yes, being near cars is unsafe. Driving a car is also unsafe. Seems like maybe we should simply get rid of cars. But since we can’t, we have to work with what’s available.

                    Why should any pedestrian or cyclist feel that they can’t move freely in any setting, simply because cars are dangerous?

                    Kids can’t get off a bus because cars are dangerous; you can’t walk across a crosswalk because cars are dangerous; you can’t bike ride anywhere because cars are dangerous; you can’t even stand at a bus stop because cars are dangerous.

                    You’re responsible for own safety at the end of the day and making a decision to do something very dangerous comes with risks.

                    Yes, I agree that personal responsibility is important. That’s why I ride with high-viz clothing, lights, reflectors, a bike radar, use hand signals, ride defensively, ride in bike lanes, and do everything else that I’m supposed to do.

                    And yet drivers in cars still go out of their way to put me at risk by speeding, not using turn signals, ignoring traffic signs/light, ignoring cycling lanes, passing dangerously, not passing when they have ample space, and by being distracted.

                    When does my personal responsibility end and a driver’s personal responsibility begin? We both have EQUAL legal access to these roadways, but it seems like there’s a complete imbalance of responsibility for road safety.

                    Should the person driving a multi-ton weapon not have a greater responsibility for operating that weapon, than the bystanders who happen to be in the same area?

                    The reality is that people have to get groceries, or pick up their kid at school, or drop a letter off in their local post box, or walk to a friend’s house, or get exercise, or simply to enjoy fresh air. They do this on foot or by bike.

                    None of these activities should involve dying by car, and it’s unfair to put the blame on victims who are simply doing low-risk activities which happen to be close to cars.

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            I can’t drive my car safely on a road with obstacles so the obstacles that have a right to use the road shouldn’t otherwise I’ll kill them and it’s their fault because they accepted the risk of being near my murderous intent

            Is an incredibly stupid take on why all obstacles should be removed. Maybe learn how not to hit things that are in the road? Do you hit a motorcyclist? Do you hit other cars? It’s that you are too entitled to slow the fuck down for one minute to safely navigate around an obstacle even when it means taking a human life.

            We have the right to ride down the middle of the god damn road in Colorado. The road is not infrastructure intended ONLY for cars, that is just the way impatient people in cars view roads.

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            Just how out of touch do you to be to post this in a fucking cycling forum. I dare not check the comment history of this specimen.

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                Community Rules

                • Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.

                You follow the rules as well as the typical motorist I encounter on the road.

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                    You don’t cycle, you are just pissed at cyclists when they slow you down for a minute every once in a while and probably have violent fantasies of running them over for causing this outrageous inconvenience in your oh so important and busy schedule. Fuck off.

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            Despite the tragically high number of totally unnecessary deaths, cycling is still a safe activity. Cycling on roads is a safe activity. The physical benefits of cycling massively outweigh the risks, even if you don’t wear a helmet and cycle in the middle of the road. Cycling adds years to your life, it doesn’t take them away. Your sophistry and concern trolling are just so fucking transparent.

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            In the road cycling meccas in france and italy there are no shoulders on the road. Not sure how many fatal incidents they have. Saying it’s poor judgement to ride a bike on a road without shoulder seems kinda odd to me though. Narrow mountainous roads are my favorites really.

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              I used to be the type of person who would be quite anal about “no cycling on sidewalks!”.

              But after being a cyclist for the past year, I fully support cyclists using the sidewalk when the roads aren’t safe enough.

              Those sidewalks often don’t have pedestrians on them anyway, since they are in very car-centric (or truck-centric!) areas.

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                Cyclists die much more often per km cycled on the sidewalk compared to the road.

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                  Yes, it’s more dangerous to ride on sidewalks ordinarily.

                  But much safer to be on a sidewalk than, for example, an underpass with no shoulder and trailers flying by.

                  It’s the lesser of two evils.

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                    It’s also a point you should probably underline every time you publicly advocate for riding on the sidewalk. People do it because it feels safer, even when it is actually more dangerous. It needs to be done situationally, not by default.

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            Cycling on roads is not poor judgment, apologizing for running people over is.

            As a civil engineer who works for a municipality, roads are made for all road users, and cyclists have a right to ride on them, or take the entire lane if they feel it’s needed for their safety.

            Cyclists totally comprehend how dangerous other road users, primarily vehicles are, but drivers don’t realize they drive what are essentially weapons, and every year American cars get a little heavier, and the nose a little higher, increasing the risk for all road users.

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        Roads are really expensive, more so in the mountains. That’s why we tend to share them. Kinda crazy to build a whole separate road over there for bikes, instead of teaching drivers to be more careful of cyclists.