• LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Janeway was given the option to murder a sentient, self-aware individual being in order to bring back her two dead friends. The ends don’t justify the means.

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      She killed one non-crew member to save two crew members (one of whom was important to ship functions). She did the Starfleet thing.

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          Absolutely it’s murder, but she murdered a non-Federation citizen with good cause, which is what I’d expect a Captain to do

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      9 months ago

      What if you could save two of your friends by killing a sentien, self-aware alien that is trying to kill them? What makes their lives more valuable than random alien mook #49. In this case it’s the justice and motivation that justifies the ends.

      PS: And yeah it’s still wrong to murder tuvix but very “primitive human” to sacrifice one to save their own tribe (see quark in little green men). But her real crime was insisting to return to the alpha quadrant instead of settling somewhere safe and build a second federation.

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        9 months ago

        False analogy.

        1. No one was trying to kill Tuvok and Neelix, they were already dead. Victims of a tragic transporter accident which unfortunately ended their lives, with the additional result of a completely different individual coming into existence. Which brings me to

        2. Tuvix isn’t a belligerent, he is a complete innocent. He bears zero responsibility for the manner in which he came to be, he simply exists and, like every other living, rational being, wishes to continue existing.

        Janeway’s actions were not a matter of defense of others by killing an enemy who was threatening them, they were a ritual sacrifice of an innocent as a dark offering to return her dead back to life. The fact that her means was technological rather that magical doesn’t change the fact that she murdered an innocent person to bring back two people who were already dead.

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          a ritual sacrifice of an innocent as a dark offering to return her dead back to life

          Haha I love that. It would have been awesome if Tuvix “mental energy” would have reappeared later to haunt the ship and take possession of various ship systems to kill Janeway. Mostly by coffee.