What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?
Lesser of two evils works when we’re talking about blocking universal healthcare or police reform. When you use that bullshit to justify pulling the lever for genocide, you just don’t care that much about genocide.
And when you use that justification to enable someone who’s going to increase support of that genocide what does that make you? Sure sounds like you’re supporting more genocide than a Biden voter is.
It’s like people forgot how many Americans died during the height of the pandemic because T**** is a fucking idiot.
Anyone who is even remotely near the crosshairs of the Christofascists needs to pull their head out of their ass and vote Democrat this election.
The Republicunts don’t care if you think “both sides are bad” if you’re LGBTQ+, atheist, non-Christian, think abortion should be freely available, etc.
Ideals and principles don’t stop bullets or beatings.
Hey, how about you just work with us this time and then here in four years we will pretend to care about what you wanna do.
That seems to be the Democrat playbook anymore
Run for something locally.
Do something about it.
Oh suck rocks. There’s one party that does try to pass legislation that helps people, that is better for the environment, better allocations of spending priorities, and generally aren’t fucking cartoon villains.
And it ain’t the Republicans.
Being mad that things weren’t done the way we Think They Should Be™ and dismissing the realization that geopolitics is an extremely complex system is childish. Throwing temper tantrums, threatening to take your toys and go home because you didn’t get your way is childish.
There are many factions to appease in the US electorate, particularly on the left. And while I personally feel like Israel should have been cut off decades ago which may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, there are a lot more who feel differently. Am I going to hold that against the group that aligns with the majority of my aspirations even if they are stymied by christofacists at every turn? FUCK NO.
If there are so many of them compared to us, then why are you worried?
My guy, do you understand how margins work?!
My guy, do you not understand that human lives are more important than anything else he can do?
He disregards that, and I’m ok with not being on team “Okay with killing children to get the other things we want.”
That is your team
Which is exactly why you shouldn’t be just tuning in every 4 years. Local elections, primaries, etc. People only pay attention every 4 years. That’s part of the reason why we’re here.
I know the names, office locations, and names of the assistants of my congressional representatives, do you?
Sounds like you’re perfectly capable of understanding how participation is beneficial. Maybe you could advocate more people participate and the resulting benefits vs cynical bullshit designed to turn people off entirely?
Tried that.
Remember, behind every cynic is a crushed optimist
Look at those goalposts fly!
There were no goalposts to move in my statement. What the hell are you talking about?
@juicy@lemmy.today : that’s a slippery slope moving the goal posts ad hom begging the question false equivalency fallacy.
I love when people start throwing in debate bro terms at random without expanding. It tells everything you need to know that you’re talking to a 12 year old.
You’re not wrong, but it beats the GOP’s playbook, and it’ll buy us some time to do the actual work of building a viable third party that might have a chance after 20 years of constant support from local elections on up.
Not voting sends no message other than you’re fine with how things are so you can’t be bothered. Threatening a comfy 2-party system with a solid alternative will make them sweat.
You’re standing in a room with two levers. If you pull the left one, five people die. If you pull the right one, ten people die. If you don’t pull one, it’s random, either five or ten people die.
So if you choose not to pull, and ten people die, would you feel guilty for the five additional people? You could have prevented their deaths.
Don’t bother. Those kind of ppl never accept responsibility for their actions so the trolley problem is irrelevant to them.
They’re just virtue signalling to reduce Biden s support.
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Ooh, I love thought experiments! You’re in an auditorium. There are three stages. On one stage, a man is guilotining one child every ten minutes. He cries into his handkerchief. On another stage, a man is gleefully guilotining one child every ten minutes and periodically kicking a dog. Both men get loud applause from different sides of the auditorium. On the third stage, almost completely unnoticed by the crowd, Jill Stein juggles bowling pins while tossing candy to kids. A vote will be taken to see who stays on stage.
The train is barreling down a track with five people tied to the rails. It crushes them. You hear the screams and watch the blood spurt and then dribble. Ahead are another group of five people on the rails. You can let the train continue on its murderous path, throw a switch that will shift it onto a different track but cause another train to run over the people, or you can go call 911 because the people are going to be crushed no matter what.
You’re really saying Trump won’t (as he has very specifically said he want to) help Israel kill even more people?
Or hell, even kill Americans? He’s floated that idea multiple times too.
You’re using a lot of words to cover up your central premise: when it comes to death, Biden and Trump are equally bad.
Which is how I know you’re a fucking shill.