• MultigrainCerealista [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    unless their right of internal self determination is compromised

    Oh wait what’s that?

    Lmao that’s what happened after the Ukrainian nationalists starting arming Nazi militias and banned their political parties you clown.

    Banning their political parties and denying them the right to use their own language or practice their own religion or have their own political representation is called denying them their right to internal self determination.

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      Yeah banning pro Russian parties after Russia invaded them? Kinda a no brainer. + Russia was arming separatists first you chung mungus. I noticed you didn’t answer my question

      Are you of the opinion that the people of chechnia wanted to be a part of Russia? Those guys full on declared independence & the independence leader got 90% of the vote

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        Those guys full on declared independence & the independence leader got 90% of the vote

        I don’t recognize the result of this referendum 🤓

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          I hope you meant that ironically lol Neither did the Russian government, they declared it illegal the day before the vote.

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        You: let’s talk about something else because I’m feeling really fucking stupid right now

        I guess you’re saying you fully support Putin’s crackdown on Grozny then right?

        Get your deflecting moronic ass out of here and have a think about what you are actually supporting right now and today in Ukraine.

        Because you’re not supporting democracy and freedom. Not at all.

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          I’m a realist because even though it’s not morally right I understand that on the international stage might makes right. I don’t agree with it but authoritarian countries with strong armies can coerce weaker countries & entities into capitulating (check out findlandization). If you were knowledgeable you’d know that no other countries recognized chechen independence either, perhaps because the ruskies declared the elections illegal the day before they happened… Reminds of another recent situation huh? It’s okay to feel conflicted those contradictions can allow you to analyze why you held certain beliefs to begin with and is the beginning to a more complex understanding of events.

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            Im glad you acknowledge that Ukraine and the west does not have a moral leg to stand on but I hope you eventually take the next step and recognize that means the hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently injured Ukrainians and Russians makes this a moral travesty and a crime against humanity.

            Recognizing the moral right lies with the separatists but choosing to support the use of military force against them because “fuck Russia” makes you the bad guy.

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              Lol @ Russia apologists trying to defend Russias invasion and genocide of the Ukrainian people + spouting easily debunkable talking points. Can’t wait until I get you hear to spill the same watered down trash when the ruskies invade Poland for the 8th time this century.

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                  Hey look here’s the news source (village voice) you posted talking about what they’re doing in Ukraine right now. Lol nice one https://www.villagevoice.com/russias-crimes-in-ukraine-against-humanity-and-nature/

                  “By general consensus, Stalin was partially responsible.” That author would’ve been executed or gulaged in the ussr since it was a crime to mention the holodomor & blame the authorities. I bet to you that sounds exactly like how a responsible government would respond to criticism.

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                    Layers of deflection to avoid just reading a fucking article. No, mentioning the famine was not a crime and you are literally just making that up because you think it fits the vibe of things.

                    Why are you so unwilling to contend with the actual content of the article?

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                  Remember the Molotov ribbentrop pact? Or that time after WWI? You’ve got a super selective memory. I give you points for almost directly quoting your god emperor putin on that one.

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                    You mean the areas populated by Belorussians and Ukrainians that was conquered by Poland from Russia in the war of 1922 when Poland took advantage of the civil war to seize a big chunk of Belorussian and ukraine and taken back by Russia when the polish state collapsed following the Nazi invasion of Poland?

                    None of the Russian parts of the MR pact were populated by mostly polish people, with the exception of Lviv which is still part of Ukraine today.

                    It’s a selective reading of history to call Belorussians and Ukrainians the rightful property of Poland especially in light of the brutal Polonization campaign they suffered, being reduced to serfdom by Polish invaders.

                    As it happens I’d actually support restoring that part to Poland, Lviv, and also the Hungarian bit of Ukraine to Hungary since both of those ethnic minorities, along with the ethnic Greek minority, have all been suffering a lot under the rule of the Ukrainian nationalists and have also faced restrictions on their internal self determination such as language rights being suppressed or in the case of the Greek minority also religious persecution.

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                    You know France and England signed some pacts with the Nazis is the lead up to the Soviets making a deal with the devil, right? And the Soviets knew the nazis were always going to invade them, because they literally just knew about what the Nazis were publicly stating they’d like to do.

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                    Since you like relying on evidence and moral bases so much, what is your evidence Russia is committing a genocide in Ukraine? Reminder: a genocide has to be explicit. Killing soldiers of a country you’re at war with does not meet the standard to be killed genocide.