Joe Biden will not be the Democratic nominee in November’s presidential election, thankfully. He is not withdrawing because he’s being held responsible for enabling war crimes against the Palestinian people (though a recent poll does have nearly 40 percent of Americans saying they’re less likely to vote for him thanks to his handling of the war). Yet it’s impossible to extricate the collapse in public faith in the Biden campaign from the “uncommitted” movement for Gaza. They were the first people to refuse him their votes, and defections from within the president’s base hollowed out his support well in advance of the debate.

The Democrats and their presumptive nominee Kamala Harris are faced with a choice: On the one hand, they can continue Biden’s monstrous support for Netanyahu, the brutal IDF, and Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. That would help allow the party to cover for Biden and put a positive spin on a smooth handoff, even though we all know this would mainly benefit the embittered president himself and his small coterie of loyalists. Such a choice would confirm that the institutional rot that allowed the current situation to develop still characterizes the party.

  • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    2 months ago

    Since severing ties with Israel would only lead to more chaos in the region, what I’m really hoping for is Kamala 2025, followed by a change in Israeli leadership to mirror the recent US, UK, and French elections that have seen a broadly decimated right wing, and a strengthening of the centre left view of an international rules-based order. We could potentially see Bibi’s regime tried for war crimes, China dissuaded from its designs on Taiwan, and Russia faced with stiffer international resolve in Ukraine and beyond.

    I’m not prepared to defend any of that as immensely realistic, but writing it was the little taste of hope I needed in the moment.

    • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      2 months ago

      Since severing ties with Israel would only lead to more chaos in the region

      Oh I’m sold. Do as much genocide as you want, as long as you are an implement of United States’ resource extraction policy.

      We would certainly prefer you didn’t do the genocide, but loss of hegemony is what is truly unacceptable, that’s a red line we won’t cross.

      • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        I was just imagining a slightly better world, as a treat. Of course I’d prefer an even better outcome like peace and willing reparations, but I wasn’t in the mood for an entirely counterfactual daydream. The current reality is an actual nightmare.

        • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 months ago

          You know, I definitely ignored the rest of your comment, that’s fair.

          I share your hope that VP Harris won’t be as intransigent in support of the occupiers as Biden.

      • Timii@biglemmowski.win
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        The choice is more like permitting the current ongoing tragedy or allow an even greater genocide (the eradication of Israel).

        • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          2 months ago

          Definitely a false choice, right off the bat.

          The USA could impose a no-fly zone based on the 1949 borders.

          The settlers could be rightly expelled from the West Bank.

          Palestine could be recognized as an independent state.

          None of that requires any cooperation from the right-wing death cult currently controlling the occupiers.

          None of that requires a genocide, just the long overdue abandonment of illegal settlements.

          • Timii@biglemmowski.win
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            just the long overdue abandonment of illegal settlements

            ‘Just’. Green Line didn’t work in 1949. Why would it work now? You really think anything but Israel ceasing to exist would stop this nonsense?

            • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              2 months ago

              Was there a no-fly zone and recognition of an independent state in 1949? Why are you treating right-wing genocidists as though they are a force of nature?

              Seems like quick work for the armored bulldozers so beloved by the occupiers, if karma is a real thing…

                • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  The solution is not enabling the settlers and ultra-orthodox.

                  Another option is destroying / blockading the last functioning Zionist port, I expect that will get results real quick. They have decided to build their civilization inspired by the worst excesses of the West, so it will quickly collapse in the absence of endless imports.

                  Once you turn the grim logic of destroying houses and resource starvation back on the occupiers, you don’t have to keep pretending that they are mysterious, incomprehensible, and immovable.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      followed by a change in Israeli leadership to mirror the recent US, UK, and French elections that have seen a broadly decimated right wing and a strengthening of the centre left view of an international rules-based order.

      new labor mp’s in the uk have decided to support the genocide and threatened the icc from ruling against isreal, as the tories promised, and macron is intriguing with the far right to run france, saying that nobody won the election. so yes, their voters wanted center left; but their leaders are ignoring it and forcing the status quo.

      the us election is still over 3 months away. kamala isn’t much different than biden in ways that matter and all indications suggests that she’s going to continue supporting the genocide as well despite publicly advocating against it the entire time it’s been a thing.

      • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        You saw someone write a thing that they openly admitted was unrealistic and purely to indulge in a crumb of hope, and you felt this comment was necessary. Are you okay?

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          hopium is the reason we got biden and what other awful politicians use as cover to get elected.

          the real world sucks and hopium is a children’s coping mechanism; i hope you’re the one that’s okay.