• tiredofsametab@kbin.run
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    3 months ago

    Headline is a bit disingenuous as it is the most points (because the total points is higher) but only the second highest percentage (1987 still 1st).

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      3 months ago

      Thank you for posting this, that was my first assumption reading the headline. Anytime I see numbers without a percentage in a headline, or vis versa, I’m immediately suspicious.

      After all, there are 3 types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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    3 months ago

    Well it’s also caused the US market to dive, even overnight. Looks like the big correction is finally biting down.

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    Do we know where the sales mostly came from?

    Random speculation: Could be banks needing to pull out of the market due to the Fed signaling September rate cuts due to the higher-than-expected unemployment report. This will cause a drop in yield for savings, which would cause people to reduce what they have in those accounts.

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      Well, they announced a rate hike in Japan, so that would seem to be a more immediate cause.

      In fact, there’s some analysis that suggests that Japan’s rate hike contributes to the dip in the other markets. Evidently it was a thing for people to borrow yen, use that to get other currencies, and then buy stock and sell the stock to repay the loans. Since the yen has climbed 14% versus the USD in the past few days, those loans suddenly became awfully expensive.

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      Random speculation: Could be banks needing to pull out of the market due to the Fed

      Japan stocks

      I mean… it could be. But most foreign stock markets aren’t directly tethered to the Fed.

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      3 months ago

      Most of the money banks “have” they created it themselves (it’s called Fractional Reserve Lending and there’s a wonderful paper on it by somebody at the Bank Of England called “Money creation in the Modern Economy”).

      The whole “banks lend out depositors’ money” thing hasn’t been true since the 80s.

      Also nowadays most of the money in leveraged investments comes from the Money Markets (so rich people and pension funds) rather than banks.

      That said, your point still stands since a reduction of deposits might impact banks’ reserves (basically central banks force them to have the equivalent of about 3-5% of their loans as reserves), it would force a wider retrenchment of their loans, but by itself the impact of that on the entire leveraged investment universe should be limited because they’re not the main players in the Money Markets.

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      Nice call, I checked it and it is already above the levels of the Ukraine war. It’s a COVID-level or 2008-level event already.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^VIX/

      I think volatility is just a name used for variance of a basket of commodities, stocks, bonds that reflects an added price due to risk/uncertainty.

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    Can we just stop with the stock bullshit. I want this economy to die so much.

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      Usually war is a way to stop a recession/depression since its so profitable.

      The economy has been fucked far longer than the current conflicts that might actually start ww3

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        It is only profitable for a few in some places. War is not net good for “business”

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            Sounds like the oligarch commandments.

            It’s like Hyperneoliberalism:

            “Nothing bad ever truly happens, guilt is subjective, nothing is real, everything is allowed, but if you take anything from me, it is the worst possible crime in all of history.”

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        Usually war is a way to stop a recession/depression since its so profitable.

        When you’re selling into a war market, you can make a lot of money. When you’re in that war market you tend to lose a lot of your expensive durable capital very quickly, which can get very expensive.

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        Girl, have you been following THIS WEEK’S news? Like right now is unlike any other time.

        War is historically used to pillage other people when times are rough. It doesn’t stop a recession; it doubles it and gives it to their opponent.

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          Stop was a strong word, ill agree. But it is a tool in the arsenal of TPTB when shit turns downward because the economic scam that it is modern capitalism eventually unravels

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    3 months ago

    Oh hey look a bunch of sheep - human and electronic - are reacting self destructively for no good reason. Must be any day ending with a ‘y.’