Develop into your own beautiful human, first. A lot of dudes are mid at best; myself included
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Same advice applies to dudes too TBH. We’d all be a lot better off if we figured our shit out before inflicting ourselves on each other and fucking us up even more.
Could really just remove the genders from what this person said and make it applicable to everyone. Young men should be doing the same thing.
Toxic femininity and masculinity both push the narrative of how young men need to constantly pursue women, and everything they do should be in pursuit of chasing pussy. How men should always be available to women when the time comes.
Grow for yourself.
Yes.
Men are miles behind on the self development front in a lot of cases though. Generational suppression of feelings and an inability to cope with them correctly has done us a massive disservice. Like a deer with chronic wasting disease, we stagger on, continuing to do the same thing, despite how tragically fucked up we are.
What a depressing world view. Geez.
You should see my political views! ᕦ༼✩ل͜✩༽ᕤ
that advice is completely valid for men too, hell, the amount of male friends that i have that are felling alone and think that getting a girlfriend gonna fix that, fuck that, and they fuck woman friendship because they “fall in love” with any woman that give them attention, and they still refuse to listen to me when i say to them to improve themselves that love gonna come naturally, it’s tiring, and i say that as a man who also sometimes feel alone and also mistaken attention with love, i just learned from advice that i read and i’m feeling a lot better, why, why they are such morons
It’s because societal norms don’t teach boys and men the proper way to deal with emotions. It’s more implied we will be fine or know how to deal with them, and generally not a lot of room for guys to explore them.
There’s also a push for guys to be competitive, achieve, etc. which conditions us to seek more of the positive emotions that come with ‘victory’. That thinking quickly can become an echo chamber inside your head, with all kinds of negative things associated with it; the least of which is ‘I am worthless unless I achieve’.
The world would be a much better place if guys were in tune with their inner feelings, knew how to deal with them, and weren’t terrified of being vulnerable around others. This also applies to women, but from my vantage point, to a lesser degree
Yeah, if you know a anyone that can’t just spontaneously cry when they’re hurt, that’s a major indicator they’ve been abused. We evolved tear ducts for a reason. Crying let’s others see we need comfort. Everyone deserves that.
Spot on. For years I had my self worth valued based on the women I was with/dating.
After a divorce and string of bad relationships/breakups, I realized the issue was, largely, because of me. I wasn’t focused and invested in myself enough to be comfortable without a partner in my life. Which made me desperate, and that comes across and attracted the wrong sort of women to me, as well as kept my self worth artificially low so I allowed myself to be abused by others in the relationships.
Spend time on yourself and being comfortable being alone. Be happy alone first. Then look for opportunities to meet people who can enhance your happiness, but not be the source of your happiness, if that makes any sense. That’s how good relationships work I finally learned.
Happy for you! That’s what I aim for, be happy alone, I already had a bad relationship and I learned that if i valued myself I would had jump out way sooner, ironically I would have suggested to any woman with half the relationship problems mine had to terminate immediately, and that’s where I learned that I value the happiness and well being of others but not myself
It’s not about being morons. It’s about needs. It is rough to develop emotional intelligence, if you aren’t even sure if you’ll be paying rent this month.
This does not apply just to men, though. But I’d add that an additional complicating issue for men is the lack of emptional-education and social-practice that the patriarchy expects from women.
Why is this a gendered thing? If you replaced “Younger girls” with “any person” and “Men” with “Other people” then this not only remains true, but actually makes just as much sense and applies to more situations.
As a bisexual person, it is very weird to me on a conceptual level how much weight people put behind genders. Like, whether I find a person attractive or not does not correlate to whether they present masculine or feminine, or which sex they had assigned at birth. Like logically I understand why it is the way it is, I’ve just never felt it for myself and assumed everyone just sorta pretends it matters, until I figured out I’m bi.
Hmm, maybe that’s why I have a similar mindset to you. I’m not sure it’s related to my sexuality though. Possibly, but I’ve just been screwed over by people in all kinds of relationships to me, whether it be family, people in positions of authority over me, co-workers, friends and also people I’ve been in a romantic relationships with.
It seems strange to put so much weight on gender and also so much weight on romance / intimacy when doing things solely to please others whilst neglecting your own needs and desires is bad regardless of your relationship with that person.
I feel the specificity is to drive home the point to the target of this message. You can generalize advice to be more accurate and apply to more people, but it’ll be as wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle.
People are really great at excluding themselves from general advice like “don’t worry about judgement”, they need to feel like the message is tailored to their own experiences.
You can definitely recycle the message with a male or gender neutral tone, but that’ll lead to different conversations. Sometimes people don’t want to speak out to a generic broad audience, they want a more specific conversation.
Valid point. Narrowing the audience of the message can make sense, but weakening the actual lesson by ignoring all the other people you shouldn’t please with no regard for your own feelings I don’t think is a great idea. After all, we all seek validation from our peers far too often and this can be devastating to our mental health and wellbeing.
But you often should worry about being a good friend and a good student and a good daughter and a good person. And much of how we judge if we’re hitting those marks is how other people feel about us. And sometimes being a good friend/student/daughter/person means some degree of self-sacrafice. So “don’t worry about what anyone thinks”/“don’t compromise on your feelings” isn’t the right message either. That message gets nuanced and complex fairly quickly, whereas it’s reasonable not to worry about romantic relationships, period, when you’re young.
Good question - my thoughts exactly.
In case of OP, it’s self-loathing
That’s sad.
Why is this what you’re worried about? This person is talking to a specific group, and to a soecific group that is often told that their only value is in being attractive men. While us dudes would also benefit from this advice we often find our hobbies and our romantic lives more separated than women.
Wording it like that is coming off as such a “why aren’t we talking about me though?!”
I don’t think that assumption holds. Many activities like hyper masculine sports or body building are culturally tied to impressing women. Dudes getting in shape or “winning” to impress some girl is a common troupe. By the same token, many “feminine hobbies” like makeup and fashion are often about feeling confident about oneself and less about impressing dudes.
Both masculine and feminine hobbies get grouped in with impressing the opposite gender, but both are usually not about that for many of the people involved. A guy dressing fem isn’t necessarily trying to seduce men and a girl who makes gains and plays football isn’t necessarily a lesbian.
Hobbies and romantic lives aren’t more or less tied depending on gender, it’s just that women get presumed to only exist for men. The other reasons men do manly things are more easily recognized. Femininity gets assumed to exist just for men, but masculinity doesn’t get assumed to exist just for women.
Same for men. I definitely would’ve ended up in a better place if I hadn’t wasted my time chasing women & their attention & approval when I was in my 20s.
Well, women don’t say random shit at you on the streets, for example. I’m a man so I don’t have the fortune, but I’m sure there’s a lot more they have to deal with.
Ok?
I think poster is just making it clear that in the context of this post (and life) women are subjected to strange men’s “advice” and are in fact pressured by street strangers to conform to male desire, a phenomenon men are not subjected to. You’re comment didnt explicitly diminish that fact, but i can see how someone reading it might feel the need to clarify the difference
Ah. Yeah, I didnt mean to diminish anything. Kind of annoying people are so combative, tho.
Are you sure men are not subjected to something similar? Granted, no random women came to me on the street, but I received all kinds of weird “advice” by distantly acquainted women as a young man, which in all honesty also felt like “pressuring me to conform to female desire”
Granted, no random women came to me on the street
I’m not trying to play gotcha or nothin but yeah you agree that’s not the same thing. If you want more info, don’t take my random-ass internet stranger’s word for it, ask any of your female friends how very different their experience is to yours.
And tone check yo, I’m not saying your comment is bad or that it’s bad to try and empathize with the female experience by comparing it to your own as a male. That’s kinda how empathy works, yeah? But if you don’t have that specific experience it’s important to understand you’re only guessing.
Its just as important, especially cuz we’re on the net to make sure that’s what a commenter is doing, trying to empathize, because tone is tough to gauge in this forum and both bad actors and ignorance abound.
yes they do?
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No. Be an abnormal, irregular freak if you want. Just be a good person who tries their best to do well for themselves and others.
No, you need to conform to the majority, differences only cause unpredictability and thus unsafetyness.
This is sarcasm, but it’s what many people actually think.
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Also a guy, and I think that’s generally good advice. Especially “do not put substantial effort into pleasing men”. Amen.
But I’d make it even more general: don’t waste time on people who make you fight to prove yourself worthy of basic respect and recognition. Not when young. Not when you’re “older and ready”. Bullshit is always bullshit.
And on the flipside, if you somehow luck out and run into one of those gems who don’t make you fight for their acceptance, who just welcome you into their life as you are, build you up and are there for you, make every reasonable effort to keep them around, no matter their gender. Whether it’s platonic, romantic and/or sexual, relationships with good people should be grabbed onto, and maintained with as much effort as you can afford.
In a world of shit, anything not a turd is worth celebrating
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Are you saying good people are only worth fighting for when put in contrast with shitty ones?
Good people aren’t worth having around just because they’re “not turds”.
I think you’re agreeing with me, but this is a bad way to say that.
Knowing things can be shit can help you not take things for granted, but good things are awesome without comparing them to shit.
Dudes are mid, become a woman instead! :3
Valid option.
There’s also becoming a good dude, thereby improving the average.
Overrall, just do whatever makes shit better for you and others.
Idunno, seems like they should at least be femboys to hang out around here 🤔
TIME FOR SOME FEMINIZATION!! >:O shoots imaginary fem-rays from its eyes!! Raaaarrrr et cetera! wiggle :3
Thank you celeste
Double Yump!
Honestly I think my highschool life would have been completely unbearable if I gave a single fuck about what any of those eijits thought of me.
There were Khajiit at your school?! Wait no, I misread. Nevermind <.< >.>
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May your roads lead you to warm sands. 😺
Ehee, I’ve been missing ESO so bad lately v.v Even tried to run it on this laptop. Haaahahahaha that was impressively ugly.
Am thinking about going Saxhleel 🤔 I guess if I’m ever able to afford a decent computer again I’ll grab Necrom and make an Arcanist :3 ✨ … Don’t mind me, I’m just dreaming out loud 😅 Though, I’m thinking of taking a Khajiit name and honorific, say I was raised by Khajiit but their community hated me so I know a few things about them but little to nothing about my own ‘kind.’ I’ll stop yapping now 😅
Bright moons, friend! ^.^
I’m replaying skyrim now. Never played eso is it worth it?
I like how the khajiit were humans until they came to their senses when developing morrowind.
Hard to say, I’ve only played it for, uhhh… 🤔 1728.5 hours 😅
I kinda hated it at first because it’s not Elder Scrolls mechanically and I was excited for an actual co-op Elder Scrolls game but more recentlish I gave it a real try and discovered things I really liked playing with. Also there’s a shipload of content. Per faction. Plus Chapters. Plus DLC. … Eegh! I haven’t done any DLC, though, just got the Chapters available at the time. There’s a bunch of fun content, though some people insist it’s “wrong” somehow in a lore kinda way? Idunno, there are bit missing I’d like to see but I don’t remember encountering anything that much bothered me. Maybe that’s just ignorance on my part. There’s a lot there to dig into, though :3 Lore stuff, story stuff, just wandering around peeping at places, Trials (raid-ish thingles) and Dungeons and such, weird sortof open-world PvP stuff, other PvP stuff, various lil local event type stuffs, dress-up/fashion scrolls (naturally, it is an MMO ;P ), uhhh… yeah I miss it v.v Never did manage to get completely through all’ the content I’ve got access to. I still wanna get through Craglorn’s story, I think there’s some stuff after High Isle I never saw, uhhhmmmm… Yeah anyway 😅 Also it’s mechanically more interesting than it seems at first glance. Animation cancelling is expected, which… one may prefer or disprefer 🤷 Using “unusual” weapons and switching between two sets (which may or may not use the same kind of weapon) is also expected, at least at higher levels. Interesting funs to be had! :3! ^.^! I think there’s some RP, too, though Idunno what kind of quality/ies to expect out of that because I’m skittish :-\ Can confirm ERP is a thing, at least 😅 (tl;dr: it’s got a ton of stuff to fuff around with and I miss most of it :3 😅 )
I’ve started a Morrowind playthrough but I’m not sure I can do it because it just makes me wanna play ESO 😅 May try Daggerfall and hope it doesn’t also exacerbate that issue >.<;
I think I’d like to see more of the different furstocks of Khajiit :3 ESO shows a little more than just the sortof standard “bipedal cat” sorts, but stiiiiilll… :D Could bring in Lilmothiit too. Rar. stops yapping, skitters away
Be your own main character
99 problems …
I’m a dude, and I agree.
Please… How do I communicate this to my failing 13- year old daughter?
I think you should tell her as a parent that she shouldn’t spend time with boys and instead focus on her studies. No way that will backfire!
But seriously though what does “failing” even mean here, how can a 13 years old “fail”?
Seems easy? What if they say no?
That was plan A. I think we’re up to plan J, K, or L right about now.
In the USA, failing is when they get D’s or F’s in everything, and end up with an F overall in one or more subjects. In her case, more than one.
13, huh? Yeah, good luck with that.
If I could live in a world populated exclusively with women, I’d be so happy.
my anxiety says otherwise
