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I really don’t mind trading my money for value I receive. It doesn’t offend me.
As someone who has run businesses himself, I like being part of an economy where I can buy and sell things.
I don’t resent other people pirating stuff, and I don’t resent free services. I don’t mind donation-supported services. And I don’t mind paid services.
I guess it’s just who I am. I don’t really mind any kind of consensual economic arrangement people choose to form. Economic cooperation is economic cooperation.
Remember when the internet was prviate, anonymous, cool, and had more than three websites?
Stop online concentration camps! Stop internet dystopian! Stop cyber dictators!
Fight for net neutrality! Fight for privacy! Fight for internet freedom!
Oh, dear child, you have already succumbed, you’re part of the machine, and you don’t even know it. 😔 “This form of the Internet” == you are a consumer, passively ingesting the content created by the few, big players who gatekeep the marketplace of ideas. This is the Internet the capitalists want; you’re just grousing about the details of paying for it.
The old promise of revolutionary change on the Internet was the idea that it would be an all-to-all media, that the users would create the content, and shape the message. So if you want to fight what the Internet is becoming, stop fighting the capitalists on their own turf. They don’t care if some people pirate their stuff, as long as the money rolls in from the masses.
The best the can possibly happen if you teach everybody to pirate is to destroy the funding for content creation. Then all that will be left is the propaganda, the political ads, the messages pushed by somebody for ulterior motives. Unless…
Unless we teach the children to break that paradigm altogether. A person can live a happy life without any Hulu shows, or YouTube algorithms, or AAA games. Really. Become the creators. Leave the corporate walled gardens for the open, peer-to-peer Internet.
Or don’t. It’s hard, I know. Just don’t pretend that your Jellyfin server means you’ve broken free of the system.
Stop using Discord if you care for the internet. Seriously, Discord is the internet but privatized. It’s the precursor of the future of the internet that capitalists want. Access only available if you login. Search is useless for anything older than a week. Data not accessible to search engines, even on public servers. Need to use their bloated (web)app. Charges for basic functions. Stop 👏 using👏 Discord👏 What is wrong with good old forums.
And Twitter is going the same direction as Discord.
I suspect Discord will die within months, till then I’ll keep using it…
Yes I understand the irony of that statement.
It’s basically just IRC but with integrated streaming crap. Discord is not ruining the internet. People using it instead of forums sucks, but it’s literally just a chatroom.
But now many projects put their community on a server discord. The information isn’t indexed since it is private, so if you search for the same issue that was solved on the discord channel, you won’t find any answer.
Especially stop using Discord as a support forum for your software project. That’s the most daft thing ever conceived.
I don’t like discord, but it is a MASSIVE improvement over all the meta-garbage. Stop using Facebook, instagram, whatsapp and really also twitter first. Discord is the smaller evil compared to those.
Yes forums have their application and are better than discord for a lot of things, but discord is really more a competitor to IRC-chats with a focus on life discussion, rather than long-living content. And it isn’t discords fault if some people completely misuse it as something that it really isn’t trying to be.
Need to use their bloated (web)app.
Which means that it works in a regular browser, which is so much better than a lot of other infrastructure that is increasingly mobile-app only.
Charges for basic functions.
Does it though? It charges for certain emojis and the like, but that is honestly a MUCH more healthy business model than what a lot of other places on the internet are doing. And if you just want to use it as intended, you really aren’t missing out on anything.
I’m really not saying that it is great, but I wonder whether some of the people ranting about this may get signal boosted by meta to distract from their even worse cesspool…
eh, discord started catering to people using it as a forum, so they are actively making the problem worse…
they introduced pseudo-forum channels where messages are grouped into threads, like a traditional forum…of course not indexed, and with their signature terrible “last message first” sorting, and terrible UI that doesn’t do any of the things a forum is supposed to be good at…
so yeah, discord absolutely belongs to the other awful internet diseases you mentioned, it’s not an exception…
People deciding to use threads as forums is not Discord’s fault.
Personally I’m ok with discord for private social communication, imo not everything needs to be archived or searchable. But there’s people/devs who use discord as a knowledge repository and that’s the recipe for disaster imo.
The recipe: Old problem questions, solutions, how to guides, … All hidden behind a login wall and if you do get in, then you still have to contend with the crappy search engine, so you might just as well ask the probably already answered question yet again. And one day it’s probably all going poof or behind some kind of paywall. Basically also what quora has been trying to do for years, but I don’t think any people with more than a few braincells complain about quora being hard to access, since most of their content stinks anyhow.
yeah this is mostly my gripe with discord. Many groups, especially game dev groups, use it to share knowledge with the public, yet that knowledge quickly becomes buried and virtually inaccessible.
I get that it’s stealing your data, what I don’t get is why it has to be accessible by search engines. First of all, most servers are private because they would rather be that way, they don’t want anyone joining or viewing the content. Second of all, the big search engines would have had the ability to gather all the available data and train AIs, give it to advertisers etc. I don’t want that. I don’t know what the Chinese are doing with the data, but I know what Google and Bing would be doing with it. Not everything on the internet has to be available to everyone, a lot of people want privacy. I get that ideally there shouldn’t be accounts with personal information required, but the rest I don’t agree with. Reddit and twitter are meant to be public, everyone on such social media is aware that anyone can see their comments and posts. But discord serves another purpose, it’s for private, closed communities.
I also don’t see what basic feature is charged. Everything charged has to do with functions that require a lot of storage/server space or stupid stickers and emojis. None of that is a basic feature and for the former I get why someone would charge.
I am not defending discord, I’d rather not use it, I know it aggressively steals our data and they probably plan on enshittifying it a lot more once they’ve taken out the competition completely, but that criticism I mentioned is not valid imo.
you shouldn’t use it because it’s a black hole for information.
anything out on discord should be treated as deleted, because it inevitably will disappear one day, with no hope of recovery.
when a public forum is indexable that means that projects like archive.org and wayback machine can save the contents, even if the site itself disappears some day, meaning the information is preserved for future generations.
communities use discord way more than they should, and all that those communities create is effectively non-existent. most of it is already as good as gone.
think of modding communities, which are by far the worst offenders when it comes to discord: not only are way too many mods hosted on discord itself, way too many communities are only sort-of indexed through discord, meaning the links to where the actual files are hosted can only be accessed through discord. so even if the files survive the inevitable purge, they are lost anyways.
so many communities have already just… disappeared without warning, because the server got nuked for one reason or another, often completely idiotic reasons. and all the knowledge stored on those is gone. forever.
that’s why discord is insanely bad for the internet as a whole, but for data driven communities especially.
it would be fine if people only used it for what it was meant to do, chatting, but misusing it as a forum is where the problems begin.
it gets even worse when people insist on using it as a support channel: questions and answers are constantly buried and impossible to find, search engines can’t show you the contents, so you don’t even know that your problems even have answers, questions are constantly repeated over and over, even though they’ve already been answered, and on and on the list goes.
discord is bad for communities. it is destructive. it is insanely divisive!
there’s a trend for every single creator/author to have their own server!
so instead of having one big community, where users can easily find information and content, and creators can easily exchange ideas and concepts, you get tiny splinters that either don’t talk to each other, or don’t even realize they exist at all!
and all of that is completely hidden behind opaque “search” and “discover” algorithms that only serve what discord itself thinks the user wants.
it’s top to bottom terrible for communities, but people flock to it anyways, for all the wrong reasons.
discord is the bane of online social groups!
and the worst part is: you are absolutely FORCED to use it, because damn near everyone uses it! and there’s no alternative way to access it, you HAVE to use it! that alone should set off alarm bells!
I agree with everything you said except search. I’ve found search to be pretty good. Yesterday I found my comment from 3 years ago on a server.
Search is useless for anything older than a week.
I mean, search isn’t a fantastic feature, but it does work. So this sounds like a you problem, not a Discord problem.
I’m okay with paying for Internet services if the price is right… I’m not okay with also getting milked (data mined) for profit in addition to paying.
Did TikTok just stop working in the browser completely? I won’t download the app, but my family sometimes send me links to it and the videos never load anymore. I thought it was my VPN.
You usually have to remove anything after the numbers and “?”, that should allow you to play it in the browser.
Seems to be so, it hasn’t worked for me in sometime.
I feel this in my very soul
That feeling of disappointment turns to aggression. The good kind of aggression which makes me work harder to (jail)break stuff.
I’m so glad that after signing up, Lemmy quickly showcased to me posts about opensource/ public alternatives for the apps/websites we normally use. It brings me such a reignited passion. In time I’m gonna change my email, cloud services, OS… Everything!
Nice. I felt the same way a few years ago and changed everything over 2 years. Best decision ever (besides having a child, that was a great decision as well.)
That’s so motivating to hear because doesn’t matter how long it takes as long as it gets done :') awesome!
I’m using YouTube and its music app so much that Premium feels mostly fair
For now. Maybe. But look at Prime Video, that offered services for Amazon Prime Customers. Then put stuff behind paid “channels”. Then started adding Ads to the start of a movie or episode. And it will water it down even further. Or Spotify that had ads every few songs. Then 2 ads. Then 2 very long ads. Then more ad breaks. Then You bought premium because the ads got more and more annoying. Now you are ad free. Except all the banners. Except the paid promoted Releases that get pushed in all the popular Playlists. Except ads during podcasts. Except “AI shuffle” that mixes in promoted songs.
The same will happen to YT Premium. Bit by bit ads will be smuggled in. I mean… right now they promote “Premium light” after (what I’ve found for European prices) raising prices for premium and family tiers.
And? If they do that I’ll just leave. It’s not like someone forces me to subscribe
Honestly YT Premium has been a thing for a long time and it’s done the opposite. There used to be exclusive shows that were made public later. (i.e. they were made public the day after i paid for my subscription)
I like YT Premium (and Twitch Turbo for that matter) for two reasons: they support creators (wayy higher CPM than ad-supported viewers), and they support the platform in a way that makes them less dependent from advertisers. If more people subsribed to YT Premium, their incentives would lean towards paid members and away from advertisers and music labels.
Having said that, i have ethical problems with both Twitch and Youtube, hence why i don’t subscribe to either and subscribe to Nebula instead. It’ll do until PeerTube becomes usable.
It’s crazy how little the younger generation knows about torrenting. With my younger brothwr and his friend we couldn’t find a movie in any of the streaming services and I told them I would download it in less than 5 minutes, they didn’t understand how that was possible but were impressed when I did it. We need to keep the art alive
Hilariously, if the corporations could have curtailed their greed for a few more years - piracy could have sufficiently reduced in popularity and need to the point that it would have largely become a ‘lost art’.
Alas, chasing ever higher returns because “line must go up” is just introducing a new generation to these old tried and true methods.
Not generational, that’s niche stuff. The basic issue is exactly the same from 30 years ago.
Probably right, I just felt like there were more people that were at least aware of it
Inspiring plead
Wasn’t so long ago that someone would get laughed out of a room for taking the internet this seriously. People never planned for the inevitability of the internet being central to modern life, and, years later, here we are.
So, to whomever needs to hear it: Maybe start taking things like what this person is saying a little more seriously going forward.
Seriously man. The religious wars on YouTube. Cause they calmly debate their point of view right? WRONG. And it’s the same BS with politics. People are just so angry. And then there’s trolls who make things even worse. Like seriously man these mfs need Jesus.
No one needs Jesus… that’s the start of a lot of our problems
Too right. Ain’t nobody needs that “the most important commandment is to love others as yourself” crap.
Don’t get me started on TikTok. I don’t even like YouTube Shorts but my stupid monkey brain can’t stop clicking them lol. I’m not downloading CrapTok ever again.
So anyways, that’s why I insist that any cryptocurrency I use is 100% FOSS and 100% p2p. The future of the world’s money supply doesn’t belong in the hands of any foundation.
THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY.
- the best advice an AI ever gave (too bad it was a fictional AI)
Except when it comes to voting. Vote, please.
That’s because all the good shit* comes from humans.
*but also so much bad shit. So so so much bad as well.
If you have android you can also use Firefox to play YouTube in the background or when the screen is locked.
also with https://revanced.app
I’ve been doing that, but then it doesn’t play the next video in the playlist. Which sucks because i can’t listen to my favorite audiobook
