I get it, people are upset, but here’s the thing… We still have standards here.
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Items 1-4 can be used in comments, they just can’t be submitted as posts.
The usual lemmy.world rules apply too:
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We’re seeing an uptick in trolling already, trolls will be banhammered without warning.
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I strongly think this rule should change, it is important we are able to humanize each other, make our own arguments. Self posts are important way to do that. I think some guidelines to keep it constructive and high effort is warranted but an outright ban I’m against.
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I’m fine with this, but maybe a weekly mega thread to blow off steam in would be healthy?
No calls for violence. Full stop.
I understand the legal obligations here. I’ll also point out the president elect is openly calling for widespread violence. If some can say “cops should shoot/arrest/deport <xyz>” that is a call for violence.
Mods, You have a hard, thankless job, so thank you.
There are already communities for discussion and also meme/images.
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Thanks for your work especially on this day as the free world lost the USA.
None of us are as “free” as we believe we are. At the end of the day our politicians are all financed by our wealthiest individuals and corporations (many of which are foreign).
No matter where you are the majority of your domestic politics, your geopolitics — your “national security” — is intrinsically linked to the wealthiest individuals and corporations that engage with your economy. This can happen anywhere, and it will if we do nothing.
P.S. thanks mods!
I’m not going to make a call for violence, but I want to point out the hypocrisy here. The rich have chosen violence every day of our and their lives, yet we plebes have to be civil about it? Taking the high road hasn’t done us any favors, and it’s about time we learn from that lesson.
If you are open to the risk, you can start your own server that is federated with Lemmy and such where you can allow whatever you wish. There are guides to this and, supposedly (based on looking to start my own single-user mbin instance a few months ago), it’s not so costly
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
(Also you can’t blame third parties this time, they did horribly nationwide. At worst maybe they tightened up Virginia a bit just through how uniquely bad for Democrats it was there, but on the other hand RFK Jr is the only reason New Mexico didn’t crack a sub 5 margin and go into Swing State territory again(Harris won by 5.2 there and RFK got 1 point. No third party means that crosses the 5 point threshold)
Hello,
Is it fair to redirect people to !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world where self-posts are allowed?
Oh, absolutely! I think they do videos too!
Good to know! You could maybe consider adding that in the OP, so that people looking for self-posts would know where to go
Good rules. Good moderation, thanks.
The fact that ML is not banned says we have no standards.
I think, and I can’t say since I’m just a mod, but I think .ML gets treated with kid gloves because it’s the OG Lemmy.
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I think I’m just trying to convince myself…
But it’s not over yet. Lots of votes to be counted still
Don’t give yourself false hope on the Presidential. It’s terribly unlikely.
Our best hope is the house stays blue and they can be a roadblock for the next two years until the midterms, which is likely what happens.
It’s going to be a tiring two years until midterms and four years until we can get rid of him. We’re going to have to fight tooth and nail to keep our rights and freedoms, but we can do it. I can only hope America wakes up once again from the nightmare.
Even hope for the House is looking pretty false right now.
Yeah, they’ll have free reign to implement all their fascist dreams. The world is fucked, the US just sealed our fate. Dumb fucks.
I mean, there’s also hope, however slim, that Biden and Harris say “Fuck no, Trump will not be president again” and exercise some raw power to keep Trump out, or for Harris to engage in the same kind of legal fuckery Trump did. But, of course, Democrats are spineless by nature so neither of those things going to happen in all likelyhood.
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I’m physically ill by this result, but this isn’t an option. You can’t save democracy by discarding democracy.
Trump could do it because he’s a fascist - he wants to discard democracy. A healthy system would have checked him not just then, but barred him from running again. We haven’t had a healthy system in a long time.
Trump could do it because he’s a fascist - he wants to discard democracy. A healthy system would have checked him not just then, but barred him from running again. We haven’t had a healthy system in a long time.
Trump himself isn’t fascist. Though he’s surrounded by them and I do fear them.
At a minimum, we need to discard useless language. “Fascist” failed to work in this election. Its been overused and/or the Republicans have built up mental defenses against it. It always was a bit of a stretch argument as the NeoNazi group is constantly berated even by Republicans.
The correct word is likely Authoritarian Social Darwinists (which is close to fascism in many important ways, including racism, superiority, smugness, purity of gene pools, etc. etc.). But I’m thinking its time we discarded “Fascist” and seriously moved forward and try to advance our linguistic political tools.
It doesn’t matter what you call them, they’ll take that and wear it proudly. They have to publicly swear their allegiance to the in-group.
Hillary was right to call them deplorables.
Biden was right to call them garbage.
Godwin was right to call them Nazis.
Everyone was right to call them fascists.
They do not care.
This is a pretty naive take. The remaining dregs that passed for democracy here were extinguished a few hours ago. There’s nothing even resembling a democracy left here. The only elections we’ll have now will be show elections, if even that. Therefore, definitionally, we can no longer save democracy through democracy.
But if I’m being honest saving democracy in the US isn’t really all that high up on my list of priorities at this point. We’re facing down an exacerbated Gaza genocide, another in Ukraine, then Moldova, and domestically, the genocide LGBT people in general, and trans women in particular. Not to mention the inevitable murder of Trump’s political opponents and journalists critical of his regime. We’re pretty firmly into the “any means necessary” zone.
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Egos as big as Elon, Trump, RFK Jr. and others cannot work together for long.
The infighting will absolutely happen. The reigns of power only allow one grifter to be king above all others.
The Republican Party now needs to reward Crypto, Tech, Military-Industrial complex, Trump’s teams, Religious vote and more. It’s easier to keep unified before you have power, but inevitably now that the Democrats are defeated… Their egotistical selves are setting their eyes onto their next prizes.
They will be satisfied with various positions of power for a few months at best. RFK Jr. Really doesn’t want to run the CDC, Musk doesn’t want to make the bureaucracy efficient. They will grow bored of their positions.
You’re missing an ego: Putin. He has Kompromat on all of them. See Unger’s book American Kompromat.
Sure and while they play around, those genocides I mentioned will still happen. And when their regime collapses, the chaos will kill even more people. This must be prevented.
Too late to prevent now.
Democrats refusing to give power now will forever destroy Democracy. The only hope we have is to give power to Trump and hope he doesn’t break it too much.
As others noted: it’s a one sided risk. Trump doesn’t care about the future of Democracy. Democrats do care.
I expect that most Republicans, despite voting for Trump stupidly, also care about Democracy.
We have likely lost not only the electoral college vote this time around, but even the Popular Vote. It’s a blowout. There’s no excuses on a Democracy perspective.
I am a major Ukraine supporter. I was for Harris and everything. But now I’m worried about far more local issues. This is a resounding defeat of my trust of my fellow Americans, my coworkers, etc etc.
But we are not the ones in power. The election was a blowout in the wrong direction. Even if Jack Smith arrests Trump tomorrow what is that supposed to accomplish??
Look I’m desperate for some cope right now, but the best the left has ever been was in resisting Trump in the streets from 2016 to 2020.
The issue was that after four tiring years of struggle, we handed responsibility over to the electoral process. And as is tradition, the Democrats fucking blew it.
Build back better? what a fucking joke. Pass literally any bill that makes a material impact to people’s lives and this election result doesn’t happen.
Yeah leftists really aren’t going to help here. There will never be a leftist revolution in the US. Hell I doubt there’ll ever be a serious leftist political movement at all. The only remaining hope I have is that the democrats will decide that preventing Trump is more important than high-roadism. But even that is an exceedingly slim hope.
I mean, maybe if Harris would have appealed to the left, we would be having a different conversation today. Biden making in roads to the left out him over the top in 2020; Harris blew those bridges up in 2024 to campaign with Liz Cheney.
There is a real left movement in this country that started at occupy Wall Street and has been here ever since. It’s not big, but it’s sufficient to make important differences here and there. BLM/ antifacsism/ progressivism, all threads of the same strand.
