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Putin breaks the deal with Prigozhin and says that criminal charges will NOT be dropped. The Russian Government is falling apart and Putin desperately tries to salvage the situation. All flights leaving Moscow are booked and oligarchs are fleeing. Subscribe to the channel for more updates! Make sure to support us on Patreon so we can keep covering news like this! patreon.com/The_Enforcer
what a shock, I’m sure no one saw that coming /s
Are any other sources reporting this? I can’t find any.
For the next few days it will be hard to have reliable sources of info regarding the non-coup because the FSB will work hard to keep infos secrets (mostly to push the putler narrative post non-coup that russia is united). We can only speculate, but based on putler way of doing things, we have to admit that doing a Navalny to prigozhin is the most putler thing to do…
I’m sure Prigozhin did. What the actual logic of the deal was I’m not so sure yet.
Oh wow, Putin lied? Well I would never have guessed…
Im really shocked /s
So much contradictory information coming out of Russia’s government. They can’t find the least embarrassing story to put out. Because there’s nothing that’s not devastatingly humiliating.
Either way I don’t see how Wagner can continue to exist as it was, and Russia forces without Wagner have proven to be incompetent.
Regarding the failure of the coup, while exciting to watch, the fallout could have been much worse than the current situation in terms of global stability and Ukraine. Wagner and bunch of factions competing for nuclear arms, or increased commitment to the Ukraine war would have been a very possible outcome. It’s clear that western governments are breathing a sigh of relief.
You pretty much nail it, there were an unconfirmed report of Wagner approaching a warehouse that holds tactical nukes (I really hope that remains a simple speculation.) If Wagner claimed the tactical nukes, that would’ve very nearly guaranteed a successful coup, because they could simply waltz right into Moscow and hold tactical nukes to keep the rest of Russian army at bay and other factions in Russia would realize the same thing, “Oh wait, so if they can do it… then…”
Cue the Western Governments poker face at the enactment of the movie, The Dark Knight Rises, where terrorists/fascists gain access to nukes and Russia balkanize by competing warlords holding at each others throat with tactical nukes.
This whole ordeal feels like a massive mess. What is actually going on here? Where are the Wagner forces now? Why is Putin making himself appear so weak/untrustworthy? What a mess of a country…
It seems like a mess because it’s propaganda, and pretty shoddy propaganda at that.
Yes, Moscow had troops ready to blow up bridges and airplanes were destroyed deep in Russia were just bad Urkanian propaganda. There are no tanks in Baghdad, er, Moscow.
Just like how Putin was going to die of cancer in the next week…last year.
But for sure they’re telling the truth about this!
If Putin publicly stated he had cancer and was going to die, and then he didn’t, it would be comparable. This actually happened. There is no way you can just say this coop attempt is just Ukranian lies.
Yes, I’m sure it did! Just like the Snake Island crap that turned out to be piss poor Ukrainian propaganda. But yes, I’m sure the Wagner stuff is totally real! They marched from Bakhmut, past Moscow to Rostov, then turned around and threatened to march on Moscow, only to change their minds!!
Totally real, makes total sense.
And the moon landing were just fake American propaganda! Video evidence? First person testimonies? Universal agreement amongst historians? Na, it was all faked to make Russia look bad.
I can lead you to water, but I am guessing no amount of proof will change your mind, so I’ll just stop feeding the troll.
Sudden moon conspiracies! Makes sense coming from a gullible person that believes all this level of nonsense from Ukrainian propagandists.
You already said that.
Also who said that he’s going to die? A click bait from one year ago and you can’t get over it?
Hahah, Ukrainian propaganda provides nothing but click bait, and when call out on it the responses are just about what you just responded. “Who cares if it’s real!?!?!”
Truth is the Ukrainians aren’t capable of ousting the Russians, confirmed sections of Russian control have been unchanged since they moved it, and no amount of your fanciful, wishful propaganda have changed it.
You wrote that in under 15 seconds?
Or is it in your copy paste folder…
I’m stopping responding to this boring troll.
No real response? It doesn’t take long to respond to your nonsense. This one took about 15 seconds, too!
Time for you to get back to spewing fairy tale talking points! I heard Putin ate a baby this morning!! And the baby said “please no, glory to Ukraine!!”
This is a big mistake on Putin’s part. Progozhin showed Putin is weak and so another attempt will eventually follow. The next one will not take a deal since he knows it won’t be honored. The next one will dictate a deal on the steps of the Kremlin.
Why won’t Prigohzin try the real deal now that he’s not getting what he wants? I mean why not right?
He’s been separated from his troops. But…
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If his troops are sent to the African continent, that’s the end of him.
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If his troops are dispersed into the regular Russian army, this may just be the preface to a longer story. Consider, his troops are the most battle-hardened, and, would therefore, be looked up to by other troops. What better way to swell the ranks of loyal followers?
Has he been separated from his troups? I mean the troops can be all over the place but it feels like you are saying he has been forcefully separated from his troops (or vice versa)?
For the rest yeah that seems plausible or possible.
Prigozhin is apparently in Belarus.
Interesting. I mean he was “invited”, but do you have a source on that? I mean yesterday he was claiming lot of things non compatible with leaving his army and ‘fleeing’ to Belarus…
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jet-linked-mercenary-prigozhin-flies-belarus-russia-2023-06-27/
MOSCOW, June 27 (Reuters) - Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin flew to Belarus from Russia on Tuesday after a mutiny that dealt the biggest blow to President Vladimir Putin’s authority since he came to power more than 23 years ago.
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Hmmm. Putin dodged a bullet with Wagner stepping down. Looks like they’ll probably be stepping back up.
I can’t see Wagner beiing able to do this again. But then again, grab a chair, grab popcorn.
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Just wait till next Friday, when the Ruzzian army is drunk again.
That seems like a bad idea when this guy was able to thunder run to basically moscow suburbs
He’ll likely be able to do it again, but won’t until his family is out. Supposedly threats to their families was what stopped Prigohzin.
I’d heard it wasn’t threats to his family but to the families of other higher-ups in the organization. Might be hearsay though, it was just in a Mastodon thread.
Very possible. Info is obviously limited. Either way, if they can remove that possibility, then that doesn’t hold them back.
Did he reinforce Moscow defences before doing this…
No, but he made sure the jet is topped off with fuel 👌
Even I was like “huh, Putin is just going to let him fuck off to Belarus after this whole thing, riiiiight”.
Honestly, I’m still thinking this is some next level of maskirovka to reposition Wagner in Belarus for an attack.
People are rejoicing too much while we have no fucking idea what is really going as of now.
Most of this circus does not make much sense. I am waiting for more details to make judgement.
Your theory makes more sense than the narrative.
This has felt, and continues to feel, like a Game of Thrones episode.
I’m just not sure which set of seasons, yet.
Please don’t let it have a completely unecessary Ed Sheeran cameo.
Obligatory mention that James Blunt had a key role in the Ballan events destroying Russia’s international clout after the USSR fell in the 90s.
Please do elaborate on that one…
Not quite, but would’ve.
His general refused an order from another general to fire on Russians, believing it would start ww3.
Blunt claims he would’ve refused the order too as a captain in the British army, if it hadn’t already been refused higher up in the chain of command
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/singer-james-blunt-prevent-world-war-iii/
Thanks.
Its weird to think how, at some points in time, individuals decide the fate of nations, and sometimes the world. Brings to mind that USSR officer who didn’t trigger WW3/MAD by not believing the incoming missile warning was legit.
Yeah I only knew he was a tank commander there, that’s “key role” enough for me.
My theory is that Prigozhin thought he could just walk in and take power, with the regular military falling in behind him, This was partially true except the main military seemed to be taking a wait and see approach, but Putin’s loyalists threatened the lives of Wagner leadership’s families to get them to back off, and then Putin saw the news coverage calling him weak for cutting a deal at all. Now Putin has to backtrack on his promise, which makes him seem even weaker.
Putin also has to find and capture Prigozhin before Wagner regroups and actually marches on Moscow. Which is still on the table.
The key here is that no one involved in this mess seems to be good at their job, they all seem to be petty would be dictators (or an actual petty dictator in Putin’s case).
“The key here is that no one involved in this mess seems to be good at their job, they all seem to be petty would be dictators (or an actual petty dictator in Putin’s case).”
This is what happens in a government culture that leans so heavily on the importance of machismo and appearing strong, rather than actually being competent and promoting stability.
The key here is that no one involved in this mess seems to be good at their job
I think this is a great point. A lot of seemingly inexplicable behavior on the part of various elements in Russia starts to make a lot more sense if you factor in the likelihood that they aren’t actually competent.
I find that every conspiracy theory falls apart if you just assume a normal level of incompetence and miscommunication.
What makes more sense, Putin playing some sort of masterful game where he looks incompetent, or he was actually arrogant enough to believe that his lapdog wouldn’t turn on him, and never even considered that Prigozhin would march on Moscow?
Then Prigozhin just assumed that the regular army would turn around and join him. Bitch please, you aren’t a war hero, you’re a fucking mercenary murderer. Prigozhin takes the blame for committing atrocities all the time, both because he (and his men) do commit countless atrocities, but also because it’s his job to take the blame.
It’s like Eric Prince expecting loyalty from US servicemen because they are so impressed with how Blackwater runs.
So Putin, surprised as fuck (because everyone was) and on the back foot, threatens some families and cuts a deal with Prigozhin. Then sees the press eating him alive over it and is now trying to cover his ass again.
Apply this level of miscommunication and incompetence to any event is human history, and you likely have something resembling the truth.
On the other hand, when the question “is Putin doing something clever or something stupid?” Comes up it’s increasingly more the latter than the former. It’s possible that this situation doesn’t make much sense because at its core it actually doesn’t make much sense.
It all seems highly theatrical. The head of Wagner makes a huge deal about a coup and then just… stops? Like, these aren’t stupid people. They knew there would be threats against their families, and they knew that Putin isn’t trustworthy… especially toward someone who just went against his authority. Maybe they played him like a fiddle to paint him as a villain to further popularize the idea of absorbing Wagner…
Like, these aren’t stupid people.
I’m not so sure at this point.
The problem with the line of thinking that this is some sort of deception or a trap, is that none of what is happening here is working towards anything. You simply can’t do surprise troop movements in the age of GEOINT, nor are intelligence agencies so single-minded you could “distract” them with a fake coup, nor does this have any effect on the current Ukrainian offensive. The supposed trap is missing the “trap” part.
An interesting thought for sure!
Reporting from Ukraine covered this yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZu3Yw4EwKQ&t=16s until minute 3.
The most convincing counter-argument for me was the loss of 7 russian aircraft plus pilots in the turmoil.
Nothing these creatures have done so far remotely suggests that they are capable of thinking up and executing a plan with any level of complex subtlety. They can only perform like a brute sledgehammer, even when the situation calls for a screwdriver.
I do wonder who is going to accidentally fall out of a window next
Onto a bunch of bullets too I’m sure
They want to create a cloud of obscure information so that when Prig kicks the bucket they can say that they had nothing to do with it.
How to get yourself killed faster 101. What makes Putin think this is a safe situation for him to do this? I don’t think it even salvage his shattered image of being a strong leader.
I am in shock
The way i see it, he has one of three options:
- Start training for them Siberian Gulag Winters
- Learn to fly out of a high rise
- Rapidly evolve to withstand radiation
