As someone who grew up around doctors and knew a brain surgeon, I can say with 100% confidence that everybody who rides a bike should wear a helmet. I feel like the average person has very little idea of how fragile we are, how easy it can be to get a traumatic brain injury, and how much of a nightmare your life can become. (This applies even more if you need to ride on the street or if you plan to ride at high speeds.)
I agree and always wear a helmet, but helmets should not be mandatory. It discourages people from cycling which means they drive instead and make the roads overall more dangerous.
I’m sure people said exactly the same thing when seatbelts became mandatory in cars. “Oh, no, you can’t make safety mandatory. It’ll just discourage people from driving.” Safety measures become normalised very quickly.
Discouraging people from driving is a good thing, although with the amount that’s wasted on pointless expressways some governments haven’t noticed yet.
Anyway, there’s clear evidence from countries with mandatory helmet laws that it discourages people from cycling.
But back when seatbelts became mandatory (which was in the 1980s in the UK, IIRC), cars weren’t seen as a bad thing. They were seen as a good thing, as bikes are now, yet no doubt there were still people complaining that mandatory seatbelts would discourage people from utilising the Good Thing.
Have there been any long-term studies into mandatory helmet laws? Or did they just look at the 3-6 months after the introduction of the laws, when people were still getting used to the change? What was the effect after helmet-wearing became normalised in that country’s society?
I suppose the other solution is to not have mandatory helmets, and natural selection will do its thing. I tend to prefer not having a load of unnecessary deaths, however.
Sure. Australia has had mandatory helmets since 1990, and there’s been endless studies and debates since then, it’s still ongoing. I could find no clear evidence that helmet mandates decreased overall harm over any timeframe.
To quote a review I read from 2007
The following general principles should have widespread support:
(1) Any legislation (including helmet laws) should not be enacted unless the benefits can be shown to exceed the costs. Ideally, the benefits should be greater than from equivalent ways of spending similar amounts of money on other road safety initiatives.
And their conclusion did not find a consensus other than
A majority of brain injuries >AIS2 are caused by bike/motor vehicle collisions. Traffic calming, enforcement of drink-driving laws, cyclist and driver education, or other measures to reduce the frequency and severity of bike/motor vehicle collisions, may therefore represent more cost-effective ways of reducing serious head injuries to cyclists than helmet laws. Indeed, countries with the lowest fatality rates per cycle-km also have the lowest helmet wearing rates
Given that, helmet mandates are a bad law that takes away our liberties for no proven benefit.
Fair enough. I do like evidence-based conclusions. :)
I’m definitely in favour of good road safety initiatives like traffic calming, enforcement of driving laws, and education for both drivers and cyclists. One of the things I’ve observed with cyclists is on average they’re more unpredictable than other vehicles on the road, and I think education of both types of road user would help alleviate that. Cyclists need consistent signals for what they’re going to do, and drivers need to be able to recognise what those signals are. So much of road safety is reliant on everyone being as predictable as possible, and people taking up cycling as adults often skip the cycling proficiency lessons that teach them how to behave predictably, while drivers are never taught to recognise what signals cyclists are taught to use in those lessons. (My “work-around” solution for this is “slow down and keep more distance”, which works as well for cyclists as is does anyone else who is behaving unpredictably on the road. Indeed “slow down and back off” is an approach that’s hard to go wrong with!)
@donuts@Peaces@Heresy_generator@Tosti We all tend to take good health for granted. You are right that we are fragile. I have a friend who broke her left shoulder in three places in a fall while dismounting from a jeep. Not sure how she managed that. She is only in her mid-50s, not that old.
@donuts@Tosti@Peaces@Heresy_generator Back in the 70s my parents were some of the first people in Vancouver to wear helmets cycling. Constant ridiculing apparently, from drivers and pedestrians and other cyclists. But more than once they found themselves banged up after accidents or other collisions where it seemed fairly clear that if they hadn’t been wearing helmets they’d have been in a LOT more trouble, so they persevered . . .
No small chance I only got born thanks to bicycle helmets.
@donuts@Peaces@Heresy_generator@Tosti
This is SO true! Even a pebble can cause a bike to swerve or bounce. I was an acute physical rehab nurse, and had lots of traumatic brain injuries that might have just been concussions, had the person been wearing a helmet. (Both bicycles and motorcycles)
As someone who grew up around doctors and knew a brain surgeon, I can say with 100% confidence that everybody who rides a bike should wear a helmet. I feel like the average person has very little idea of how fragile we are, how easy it can be to get a traumatic brain injury, and how much of a nightmare your life can become. (This applies even more if you need to ride on the street or if you plan to ride at high speeds.)
@donuts @Peaces @Heresy_generator @Tosti while riding I fell trying to get up a curb. Broke my arm and later I noticed a huge dent in the helmet.
I agree and always wear a helmet, but helmets should not be mandatory. It discourages people from cycling which means they drive instead and make the roads overall more dangerous.
I’m sure people said exactly the same thing when seatbelts became mandatory in cars. “Oh, no, you can’t make safety mandatory. It’ll just discourage people from driving.” Safety measures become normalised very quickly.
Discouraging people from driving is a good thing, although with the amount that’s wasted on pointless expressways some governments haven’t noticed yet.
Anyway, there’s clear evidence from countries with mandatory helmet laws that it discourages people from cycling.
But back when seatbelts became mandatory (which was in the 1980s in the UK, IIRC), cars weren’t seen as a bad thing. They were seen as a good thing, as bikes are now, yet no doubt there were still people complaining that mandatory seatbelts would discourage people from utilising the Good Thing.
Have there been any long-term studies into mandatory helmet laws? Or did they just look at the 3-6 months after the introduction of the laws, when people were still getting used to the change? What was the effect after helmet-wearing became normalised in that country’s society?
I suppose the other solution is to not have mandatory helmets, and natural selection will do its thing. I tend to prefer not having a load of unnecessary deaths, however.
Sure. Australia has had mandatory helmets since 1990, and there’s been endless studies and debates since then, it’s still ongoing. I could find no clear evidence that helmet mandates decreased overall harm over any timeframe.
To quote a review I read from 2007
And their conclusion did not find a consensus other than
Given that, helmet mandates are a bad law that takes away our liberties for no proven benefit.
Fair enough. I do like evidence-based conclusions. :)
I’m definitely in favour of good road safety initiatives like traffic calming, enforcement of driving laws, and education for both drivers and cyclists. One of the things I’ve observed with cyclists is on average they’re more unpredictable than other vehicles on the road, and I think education of both types of road user would help alleviate that. Cyclists need consistent signals for what they’re going to do, and drivers need to be able to recognise what those signals are. So much of road safety is reliant on everyone being as predictable as possible, and people taking up cycling as adults often skip the cycling proficiency lessons that teach them how to behave predictably, while drivers are never taught to recognise what signals cyclists are taught to use in those lessons. (My “work-around” solution for this is “slow down and keep more distance”, which works as well for cyclists as is does anyone else who is behaving unpredictably on the road. Indeed “slow down and back off” is an approach that’s hard to go wrong with!)
@donuts @Peaces @Heresy_generator @Tosti We all tend to take good health for granted. You are right that we are fragile. I have a friend who broke her left shoulder in three places in a fall while dismounting from a jeep. Not sure how she managed that. She is only in her mid-50s, not that old.
@donuts @Peaces @Heresy_generator @Tosti ………. ditto motorized scooters.
@donuts @Tosti @Peaces @Heresy_generator Back in the 70s my parents were some of the first people in Vancouver to wear helmets cycling. Constant ridiculing apparently, from drivers and pedestrians and other cyclists. But more than once they found themselves banged up after accidents or other collisions where it seemed fairly clear that if they hadn’t been wearing helmets they’d have been in a LOT more trouble, so they persevered . . .
No small chance I only got born thanks to bicycle helmets.
@donuts @Peaces @Heresy_generator @Tosti
This is SO true! Even a pebble can cause a bike to swerve or bounce. I was an acute physical rehab nurse, and had lots of traumatic brain injuries that might have just been concussions, had the person been wearing a helmet. (Both bicycles and motorcycles)