If so, was it polled somewhere?
So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.
TL;DR- Don’t defederate Hexbear because they’re a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they’re annoying, and will burn out your moderators.
Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear’s side there was a thread to discuss it.
Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear
Sucks for you guys. They caused nothing but trouble when they were still federated with Blahaj.
After so many of us complained about how they were being dicks and many on the instance weren’t feeling comfortable, hexbear decided to defederate from us first since they somehow said it wasn’t safe for their LGBT members to be on it.
Funny enough a few days later a new account started posting across different lemmy instances for days about how the Blahaj instance was anti trans and that the admin was too. Our Admin is openly trans :/
The whole argument started because the user said everything had to be political and wouldn’t stop insulting others who said they didn’t want to have every post on Blahaj to turn political.
It was just too perfect timing how a few days after hexbear defedarated for somehow saying the pro LGBT instance was anti-LGBT, that we got a brand new account attacking trans members while sayin they were anti-trans.
Enjoy your new people.
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I don’t mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
I voted against it fwiw
They added us to their whitelist.
Yes and its very very annoying.
yeah people complaining about nothing gets real old
Hey, stop complaining.
Opinion of one of the admins regarding hexbear, just so you guys know where they stand:
In my view, the hexbear community is actually a positive force on this platform. They are frequently abrasive, but they ultimately have the potential to contribute to what we are building here. They are extremely active and some of them are quite intelligent. But they’ve also become accustomed to a privileged position on their own walled-in platform, and they need to be reminded that their views are considered ver extreme by the average person.
Hexbear is inevitable
I see a small corner of the lemmyverse…
I see your instance…
…alone…And a lot of defederations…
Jesus that’s a lot of defederations…
They’re just misunderstood. Uh, yeah, misunderstood. That’s it.
Just mention them once, sixty or so will be by promptly to “help” you “understand.”
…Then the rest drop by to see how much of a mess they can make of the relatively calm and sensible clusterfuck already present, because every question or comment absolutely must be met with a raucous cacophony of condescending crap.
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All over this thread
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Depending on how you browse Lemmy, you have to look at the user’s profile to see the instance they come from and yes there’s a whole bunch of hexbear users in this discussion. Although most are easy to spot since they have their pronouns in their username, some also don’t.
Federation seems to be iffy sometimes. Maybe thats the issue?
I think this is just a matter of imageboard culture that just can’t / won’t mesh with general internet civility.
Leave Hexbear users to their spaces. My hands are washed.
Leave Hexbear users to their spaces.
Normally I’d be inclined to agree, but the problem is they don’t stay in those spaces; they regularly invade other instances en masse, harass its community members and pollute it with pro-Russia & China propaganda and genocide denial, then feign innocence and use their high percentage of LGBTQ+ users as a shield. It’s really fucked up, and it’s happening in all the major instances in the 'verse. I mean, you’re right, they’re not gonna mesh and aren’t meshing well with other instances, but that’s solely because they go to other instances and deliberately start shit. We are leaving them to their spaces; they just aren’t reciprocating.
general internet civility
I honestly do not know what this looks like
Either everyone calling each other hard r n-bombs, or everyone walking on pins and needles making sure that they don’t say something against the will of the zeitgeist.
Get fucked.
Please understand that I’m being completely sincere when I say that, judging from your post history, you should seriously consider taking a break from the internet to deal with your anger issues. When you spend your time lashing out at other people because of the instance they use, complaining about protests that are trying to prevent the implementation of policies which contribute to climate change, and hoping that other countries get destroyed by nuclear weapons because you don’t like their leaders, the only thing you’re accomplishing is increasing your chances of getting a heart attack
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Yeah it seems like they can’t go two posts without some bigotry. It’s pretty disappointing and awful
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Do I seem angry to you?
It’s alarming how I can tell when I’ve left Hexbear by the ableism and slurs.
I don’t know y’all considered crazy a slur. Sorry
Edit: considered not confused
You really don’t have to come to the defense of a post your mods removed for being bad.
You can still hey fucked you genocide denying fuckers.
Idk if you personally deny them, but you know what you call a table full of 9 Nazis and 1 guy joins them I’m sure.
The saying is “9 people eating and 1 Nazi joins them” the point is that allowing the Nazi to eat with them means they can be amiable to that Nazi and are Nazis themselves. Can you prove there is even one nazi on hexbear?
Owning the libs with ableist slurs
And you claim, hexbear users are the one misbehaving…
Them misbehaving doesn’t prevent the others misbehaving…
Just accept that it’s fine to be rude on the internet, that theres nothing you can do to stop it, and both sides can let this rest. Damn
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buy us all dinner first
man, hexbears are so rude all the time for no reason!
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come on don’t censor the goddess of love thats just cringe
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Volcel police
No, tax investigation, special devision for cyber crime.
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Thankfully. Y’all can seeth, I’m here for it.
Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there’s hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don’t really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.
This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren’t going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren’t we given a say in this?
I appear to be out of the loop. What’s wrong with hexbear? I’m not familiar with the instance.
They’re just an annoying bunch of wannabe communists who sound incredibly smug and post a ton of stickers in comments. Having said that I’ve moved to lemm.ee when lemmy.world defeterated from hexbear.
Wannabe communists
There’s a lot to unpack in that one. First of all, how do you even gatekeep being a communist? Surely you don’t hold a degree in Marxist-Leninist thought? Nor are you a hexbear yourself.
Or perhaps since you have this perception that we are all petite bourgeoisie (mostly white) in the imperialist core that we can’t actually be communists (ignoring how paradoxical that is)
Perhaps communism in your mind is only for the “orient” and global south. Those in the “West” must just be play acting.
When you guys mention the imperial core, what are you talking about? DC? Hollywood? Wall Street? Brussels? London? Paris? Berlin? The Hague? Where is this imperial core you keep mentioning?
“imperial core” isn’t a phrase we made up. It refers to World Systems Theory, a theory of international relations invented by a guy named Immanuel Wallerstein which argues that imperial “Core” countries (think the traditional “developed” or “first world” countries. Mainly the US and Europe) have a particular extractive, colonial relationship with “Periphery” countries (think poor, raw material exporting, rentier states like Kyrgyzstan or Nigeria).
Then there are semi-periphery countries which are still tied into the imperial core in some way, but have enough sway economically and geopolitically to kind of stand on their own. They have a different kind of relationship to the imperial core, compared to the periphery (these would be the BRICS countries, largely).
That’s a gross over simplification, but hopefully that answers your question.
Edit: Here’s a really good explanation of World Systems Theory that goes into more depth
Wasn’t aware of this framework, thank you for taking the time to explain it :)
No problem!
Thanks for engaging in good faith!
To be fair, colonialism is a human trait and it’s been proven in every large society time and time again. You think the current US/UK empire is bad but if you look in your own back yard it’s the same thing with a different spin.
It is inevitable, humans are destined for this. It’s unfortunate but it’s what we do.
That’s just the propaganda you’ve been fed. The world doesn’t need to be xenophobic or exploitative. These are learnt behaviors.
No man these are facts. Proven, hard irrefutable facts.
yeah but the thing is other countries’ policies didn’t inspire apartied and the nazis and their holocaust.
the US’s exterminationist and segregationalist The US did those thing
Hitler wrote in his diary how good america was at genociding its undesireables, and took it and ran with it
The United States: world leader in being the absolute fucking worst thing in human history since 1619
But that’s kind of my point. The CCP engages in almost identical policies and political strategy. It’s just under a different banner with a different mascot.
You think the current US/UK empire is bad but if you look in your own back yard it’s the same thing with a different spin.
I don’t think any non-Western country has enslaved a continent, refused to pay reparations for enslaving an entire continent, and continue to plunder an entire continent of its resources.
Japan, China, Persian empire, Egypt, Spain, US, UK, Cambodia, et al.
History is nasty, our goal should be to learn from it and not repeat it.
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