• CabbageRelish@midwest.social
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    One of the biggest historical arguments on the left from all sides is against the idea of Utopianism. There are huge, obvious problems with capitalism that can be fixed, but they’re not the end of it. Where we go from there is almost anyone’s guess.

    The immediate problem we have is that the 1% own everything and control everything. And, if they own everything and control everything we don’t really have democracy, do we. That’s what people are saying about contradictions. If we can somehow make it so the people own everything and control everything, we’ll be several steps ahead.

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      But why trust a system that says “don’t worry, we’ll get there eventually” when other systems say the exact same thing?

      Fascists talk of utopia, why not believe them?

      • ThisMachineKillsFascists [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Because Communism is an actual scientific economic theory that works so well that even capitalists study it to learn how to do capitalism better and not easily disproven, pseudoscientific, social Darwinist nonsense like fascism.

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        Almost every socialist party in the world focuses on things they’ll do right now, not in some hypothetical future. I’m a communist because I want improvements to the conditions of the working class immediately, even if it doesn’t create some utopia. That’s why in Chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto there’s a list of immediate demands once a socialist party takes power, things like abolition of rent-seeking and inheritance.

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        Because they look at the contradictions and blame them on things like some ethnic group ruining everything. Labor movements have actually traditionally done a lot of that, but fascists solely want to blame regular working class people for the issues that capitalism wrought. (And exterminate them.) And again, we try to avoid talks of utopia. We just want to move on from capitalism.