A gun rights group sued New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) and other state officials on Saturday over an emergency order banning firearms from being carried in public in Albuquerque.
The National Association for Gun Rights, alongside Albuquerque resident Foster Haines, filed suit just one day after Grisham announced the public health order temporarily suspending concealed and open carry laws in the city.
The group argued that the order violates their Second Amendment rights, pointing to the Supreme Court’s decision last year in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.
I think this is a big misstep, not just from the Governor but for Democrats. Once you possess a firearm it’s pretty much too late for anyone to stop you using it in a crime. Handguns are easily concealed up to the point of entry (if there are metal detectors) and essentially the same with rifles as you can usually park near a building entrance. This reinforces the rights position that Democrats are ineffective at law enforcement and no nothing about guns.
Does not being allowed to regulate things you know nothing about also extend to uteruses, the environment, etc?
Yes.
Stop going off topic. You aren’t disagreeing with him and presenting a valid argument. You’re just trying to change the subject matter.
I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of the right wing.
I’m liberal, and I’m saying banning firearms in public is more of a “feel good” measure than it is actually useful. Unless you give pat downs as people leave their house then tons of people will violate this ordinance.
And the moment they do, they won’t be the “law abiding gun owner” they’re always crowing about.
That’s a very weird contrast. The environment affects everyone, my neighbors uterus doesn’t.
Just the first two things that came to mind where the people who will jump up and down about magazines vs clips have no problem with laws regulating things they don’t understand.
Of course it does. You should have the right to have an abortion. You should have the right to refuse vaccination (although private businesses should have the right to refuse to allow you entry or employment if you aren’t). You should have the right to own the firearms that work best for you.
You should have the rights to make choices about yourself and your own body that do not cause direct, immediate harm to other people.
If you’re going to argue that guns should be illegal because you can kill a person (illegally) with one, then it’s just as reasonable to argue that abortion should be illegal because you’re killing a person.
The only problem here is that both Republicans and Democrats are inconsistent, but in opposite ways.
Your second paragraph pretty well contradicts your first paragraph as far as vaccinations go.
And your third doesn’t follow any kind of logical reasoning since one of the ideas behind legal abortion is bodily autonomy.
Your fourth paragraph is making conclusions based on the first three, but since they’re full of holes, there’s nothing to actually support your assertion.
Failing to be vaccinated does not cause direct, immediate harm to other people. It’s a potential harm that isn’t necessarily realized in any given instance.
Conservatives argue that a blastocyst is a human, since life starts at conception. Therefore, the conservative argument is that any abortion (aside from spontaneous abortions, AKA miscarriages) is intentionally causing the death of a human. Don’t pretend like you didn’t know this, since that’s been their entire claim while working the legal angles to overturn Planned Parenthood v Casey (which is what actually overturned Roe v. Wade, not the latest Dobbs decision).
Conservatives argue that windmills cause cancer, who gives a fuck what they think
The vast majority of law abiding carriers are, law abiding. Shocker. If they weren’t they would just carry the fun, making them unlicensed carriers, meaning the law wouldn’t stop them anyways… Effectively what is happening is disarming the law abiding decent humans.
The way the lobbying works here (or used to work, before the NRA went bankrupt) is that any candidate who knows about guns, or represents a district with lots of gun ownership, can’t be involved at all in any gun control laws without losing the NRA’s support. Therefore, the only people left to write the gun control laws are the ones who know nothing about it.
You can have lots of gun knowledge without owning guns or having NRA support.
I agree, but is this hypothetical person electable in either party right now? Probably not, which is why the gun laws we get are generally poor.
Gun toting liberals exist just as LGBTQ+ conservatives exist. Also, it’s not incumbent upon legislators to know everything about everything that could be legislated upon. This is why legislators have staff.
The problem is most(not all) people who care to actually learn about guns generally oppose gun control.
And most (not all) people who care to actually learn about gambling, or street racing, or cooking meth oppose regulating their interest. This is a meaningless universal truth about most hobbies, made even less relevant because a politician isn’t picking a person at random from their supporters to help them figure out a subject, they’re going to the “not all” people who care to learn and are willing to help.
This is the same argument cryptobros trot out whenever crypto legislation is brought up. These aren’t complex subjects only a long term user could possibly understand. A gun is a relatively simple tool and a legislative aid could garner more than enough expertise in a couple weeks to understand anything necessary for regulation. The real reason this argument is made isn’t because they want better and smarter regulation, it’s because they want to argue that all regulation is illegitimate so they can keep playing with their toys unimpeded.
That’s because nobody who knows anything about guns would ever support the Democrats effort to ban guns, which they label as “commonsense gun control”