• LordBullingdon [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Some conspiracies, like JFK, are extremely plausible. 9/11 is not one of them. Any event is going to have a bunch of weird anomalies and coincidences. Was the BBC supposed to be in on this conspiracy or something?

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      Perhaps an unrelated prank with unfortunate timing? Every other 9/11 has been normal so they couldn’t have anticipated that one going all monkey.

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      “According to a CBS News report published a few months after the attack: ‘A secret office operated by the CIA was destroyed in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting intelligence operations… The station was a base of operations to spy on and recruit foreign diplomats stationed at the United Nations, while debriefing selected American business executives and others willing to talk to the CIA after returning from overseas.'”

      Probably destroying Intel imo

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        Collapsing it would seem to me to make securing the Intel harder, since it is mixed in with the rubble now.

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        You don’t have to collapse a building to “destroy intel” lmao. Think this one’s just the US of A getting absolutely owned.

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      Ok so the explanation I heard is that buildings above a certain height have magnesium charges installed, so that in the event of structural failure, the whole thing can be collapsed safely with minimum debris falling on the surrounding area. Somehow, building 7’s charge was wired alongside the twin towers, so when they decided to cut losses and collapse them, 7 went with it. That’s all second hand hearsay - i’ve never bothered to look into the matter myself, take it with skepticism.

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        They didn’t all collapse at the same time.

        Fires burning for hours collapsed a floor in 7, which caused a domino effect down through the floors below. The building’s supports no longer had lateral load stabilization and in fact had in imbalanced lateral support via the outer areas of the floor that did not yet collapse.

        With the middle hollowing itself out and the weight of the outside pushing in, the vertical supports buckled and collapsed near the bottom (bearing the most weight), and this is why it looks a lot like a controlled implosion.

        It’s the same reason why the towers mostly fell straight down. How much do the floors above the planes weigh? And how much more force does that apply over the weight the structure was designed to handle after it’s been in motion - not even free fall, just in motion - for 13-ish feet (or whatever the height of each floor was? When they fall you can see material spewing out sideways as the large mass of the upper towers mashes down on the building below. It gains steam as it falls as more and more weight is in motion.

        You can say a lot about the actions of the US government fostering the animosity towards this country, about their willingness or ignorance that allowed the attacks to succeed, and the atrocities committed in the supposed name of justice that followed that day for the next two decades, but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.

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          but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.

          sorry, what?

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          You can say a lot about the actions of the US government fostering the animosity towards this country, about their willingness or ignorance that allowed the attacks to succeed, and the atrocities committed in the supposed name of justice that followed that day for the next two decades, but for 22 fucking years you haven’t, you’ve been lost in a brainworm soup and been distracted from organizing against the real problems.

          Incoherent Liberalism.

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            Seems pretty clear to me. A lot of this conspiracy stuff just distracts from how awful the ruling class of this country is. The people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn’t care less about people in other countries, even though they try to depict 9/11 as the evil of the US ruling class.

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              A lot of this conspiracy stuff just distracts from how awful the ruling class of this country is,

              How?

              Michael Parenti - Conspiracy and Class Power

              JFK and the Gangster Nature of the State

              even though the people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn’t care less about people in other countries.

              Hope you’re not looking to analyze the deep state or even the US government. Right Wingers criticize those!

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                I’m not willing to concede that the ruling class of this country was able to successfully carry out a false flag terrorist attack on their own important buildings (symbolic of American empire, full of US government stuff), as a pretense for starting new wars. I mean maybe, but it just feels pointless. Guess we wait and see if anything new ever comes out. Weird little coincidences aren’t coherent enough.

                Hope you’re not looking to analyze the deep state or even the US government. Right Wingers criticize those!

                Sort of but they also don’t. They do some clearly half-assed finger wagging type of thing and stop short of talking about anything that matters, like who actually suffers.

                It’s like talking about Edward Snowden and only concluding that spying is bad because someone could see a picture of you naked, instead of talking about the fact that they’re spying on communications all over the Middle East and the rest of the world and probably using that to help perform assassinations of people that challenge US power or God knows what else. Creating malware to destroy Iranian power generation facilities, etc.

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                  I’m not willing to concede that the ruling class of this country was able to successfully carry out a false flag terrorist attack on their own important buildings (symbolic of American empire, full of US government stuff), as a pretense for starting new wars. I mean maybe, but it just feels pointless

                  I don’t know how I’m supposed to respond to this. No evidence, no study, just vibing it out.

                  WRT to RW critics, my points isn’t that right wingers are good critics of the US, but that shying away from a subject because people you don’t like look into it means you’re going to be shut out of just about anything of importance. The belief that we live in a class society with a ruling class that exploits an underclass is a wacky conspiracy theory to most people!

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              The people who repeat the 9/11 theories often seem to be cranks that couldn’t care less about people in other countries, even though they try to depict 9/11 as the evil of the US ruling class.

              Dude this is a shit posting forum for entertainment. I don’t think anybody is bringing this stuff up in real life in any serious manner

              Let us have this one day of 9/11 memes and fun