Back on Christmas Eve of last year there were some reports that Elon Musk was in the process of shutting down Twitter’s Sacramento data center. In that article, a number of ex-Twitter employees wer…
The CEO then told him that some of the floors could not handle more than 500 pounds of pressure, so rolling a 2,000-pound server would cause damage. Musk replied that the servers had four wheels, so the pressure at any one point was only 500 pounds. “The dude is not very good at math,” Musk told the musketeers.
This guy is considered to be a genius? This guy is a fucking billionaire?
I’m dead.
As a non-physicist, what is the technical reason Elon was wrong? I assume that when the CEO said 500 pounds, they meant 500 pounds of force relative to some surface area of the floor? I’m guessing that surface area was significantly larger than one wheel on the rack, so the combined force of all 4 wheels was still well over the limit. Maybe someone who knows physics could explain better.
Let’s say you weigh 200 lbs. When you stand on a scale with two feet, that’s 200lbs ÷ 2 feet. So the scale reads 100 lbs, right? Of course not. Increasing the number of touch points doesn’t reduce the mass.
Now what if you stand on two scales side by side, one foot on each? Then they’ll each read 100lbs. The load is distributed across the touch points, but the total mass when you add them back up remains the same.
So what does that mean for ol muskaroo? It’s hard to say who’s correct without knowing more about the floor. If it’s server tiles that are hollow underneath and each tile can hold 500lbs individually, maybe it’s ok if the cart was large enough that two wheels would never be on the same tile.
But the bottom line is that when the guy that runs the server room says not to do it, you don’t fucking do it. Have a little respect. Sure, Musk is the owner so it’s kind of technically his server room, but he’s being a prick regardless.
Musk is the owner so it’s kind of technically his server room, but he’s being a prick regardless.
I think he was renting the space, so he doesn’t own the server room, just the servers in it.
I don’t know physics too well, but I’ll try to explain.
First of all, look out for pressure. Slamming your hand on a desk(lots of surface area) may not hurt much, but doing the same thing on a thumb tack(very low surface area) will suck, even though it’s the same amount of force. Pressure is just force/area (I’m probably oversimplifying).
So not only is there still 2000 pounds of force on the floor, it’s all concentrated on one(well, four) areas. Meaning that there’s a high chance the floor will break under those wheels. You’d actually have better luck just sliding the server across the floor.
Elons logic is also just stupid here. An elevator can’t lift a 1,000 pound box, but can it lift four 250 pound boxes? No! Even a child could answer that. The fact that he just assumed that adding four wheels magically distributed the weight is stupid. What if you had five wheels? Eleven? It’s not rocket science (which is quite ironic, given the company he owns).
So yeah. I’ve got no idea how he’s a billionaire. No fucking clue.
The simple reason is that it depends on what in the floor can’t actually handle the 2000 lbs. If it’s a floor 1’x1’ floor tile that will break, then Elon is right. If the loade limit is a beam that spans a larger distance, then he’s totally wrong.
In places like a server room, you typically have a raised floor that supports tiles in the neighborhood of 1.5’-3 feet square. (The raised floor allows for all the cabling and air con to be run around the systems.) If you say that the floor can’t support more than 2000lbs that typically means they can’t guarantee enough of a safety margin and you run the risk of the object breaking through the floor. Musk’s wheel argument is crap unless he can be sure each wheel is not on the same floor support area. (Which obviously he can’t.)
However floors the spec will typically have some safety margin and that probably kept him from going through the floor. His logic, while not 100% wrong in the basic statement, lacked a deeper understanding of what was going on and certainly doesn’t help the idea that he’s a Tony Stark genius. It was a Dunning-Kruger level dumb statement to make.
If this statement was made in isolation I would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he realized it was a stupid statement once he said it but he just didn’t bother to correct himself. However he’s made so many dumb and arrogant statements over the past few years, I assume it was just a dumb unsophisticated statement from someone who isn’t that bright.
Note the pattern: a willingness to ignore the details of what could go wrong, YOLO it and just test it out, and the assumption that if nothing goes wrong when you do that, it means that everything is fine and nothing else could possibly go wrong.
Did anyone else reading this bit immediately think of that other rich idiot that died in his ridiculous submarine?
has anyone tried to get musk a submarine?
maybe we could crowdfund this
Call it “Xubmarine 420” and tell him he invented it. I think he’d take that bait.
Imagine one day, he walks into spacex, board on a rocket, and shoot to mars… just like this!
Maybe someone should trigger him in twitter
“Elon musk is a drooling socialist cuck who is apparently far too cowardly to meet my challenge of a firm July 4th, 2024 launch date for his personal mission to mars. Jeff bezos could easily do this if he wasn’t too busy actually running the company that he owns.”
Maybe we could get him interested in submersibles…
“Elon Musk couldn’t possibly make a submarine better than OceanGate!” 🤭
Yeah, get him to try to debunk the English cave diver for real this time.
“What I wasn’t told was that we had 70,000 hard-coded references to Sacramento. And there’s still shit that’s broken because of it.”” Im pretty sure he was told but was either not really listening or comprehending.
Yeah “I wasn’t told” is really “I wasn’t listening” in narcissist language.
“I wasn’t notified in triplicate, in writing, with the relevant sections underlined and requiring my signature for acknowledgment”
Even that wouldn’t stop a stubborn narcissist.
I’m sure he was told… But brain exploding emoji
or he just didnt bother asking anyone before he started
Batshit crazy for a normal person, just another day for Elon.
This needs to be brought up everytime someone claims Elon is purposely sabotaging Twitter. Someone actively sabotaging would not get their hands dirty going in and doing this themselves. These are the actions of the physical embodiment of Dunning-Kruger.
OMG OK that’s it. Tesla cars are now out of the question for me and if I ever get the chance to ride on a SpaceX ship (not very likely) I think I’d decline. Totally different companies ofc but the same master “mind” behind.
This guy represents everything that you do not want to see in a CEO.
NO THANK YOU
It really seems like SpaceX worked for real. They now have the best safety record for any booster and most of the world’s space traffic. What’s their reusability record now, is it 16 flights on one rocket? You can’t argue with that result.
I don’t know what he did to get to the point of “fail fast” during development but they put their money where their mouth is. Multiple catastrophic test failures that would have been career ending anywhere else, seemingly weren’t, and they appeared to have a very fast (for rocketry) and very successful program
From what I understand, SpaceX made real effort to split the company into two operations. One uses the reliable Falcon 9 system launching from Cape Canaveral (and other established launch facilities) to put satellites and astronauts into space. The other operation is Elon Musk’s playground in Boca Chica where he tries to build the biggest spaceship ever!
Don’t get me wrong, there are some good engineers working at the Boca Chica operation, I’ve heard the Raptor engine is really good and there’s probably some other things they’ve made there that will be useful for rocketry in general. And who knows, the really smart people may get the biggest rocket ever to actually work someday despite Musk’s stupidity.
SpaceX is now old space. They are the launch capacity of the USA. It’s ridiculous actually
He got lucky nothing disappeared.
At a previous work place they rounded up a few employees to move stuff from one office to the new office. That ended up with a few monitors less than they started with. They couldn’t ask who took it because they never wrote down who they rounded up for the move.
And that’s how companies end up with a bunch of silly regulations how you’re not allowed to move any hardware to the next room
Seriously. A crew with no IDs and some of them formerly homeless hauling around hundreds of thousands of dollars of servers all secured with “big” padlocks. What could go wrong? Not like the crew could get a bolt cutter to open the padlocks and then sell the servers. I doubt many people would have qualms with buying stolen servers from Twitter.
I didn’t see anyone steal this server
Funny thing is this kind of behaviour isn’t unique to Musk. A lot of entrepreneurs and CEOs seem to have similar kind of attitude. They want everything done cheaper faster and there’s no 2 ways about it. It’s their way or highway. If shit goes to hell it’s other people’s heads that roll.
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It’s frustrating they don’t even know what to be angry about. Like instead of flying to Sacramento and ripping out 5000 servers why not flip out that the code has 70,000 different hard coded references to a single data center instead of one.
He did not know that at the time because his poor little brain started hurting.
That reads like something out of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
Zaphod Beeblebrox, because of “an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine”, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather are actually his direct descendants.
Musk must have been the offspring of an unspeakable accident between Zaphod and one of those Sacramento racks.
That reads like something out of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
I was thinking an episode of Silicon Valley but yeah, Hitchhiker’s Guide fits too…
This is why I wouldn’t trust a thing that comes out of his mouth. He lies, he says really stupid shit and then he gives people an ultimatum to turn his stupid shit into reality or get fired. Safety, security and reality be damned. If you’ve ever wondered why people end up dying in fiery crashes because of “autopilot”, or “full self drive”, this is why.
They were somewhere over Las Vegas when James made his suggestion that they could move them now. It was the type of impulsive, impractical, surge-into-the-breach idea that Musk loved.
Musk and his renegade team were rolling servers out without putting them in crates or swaddling them in protective material, then using store-bought straps to secure them in the truck. “I’ve never loaded a semi before,” James admitted.
The moving contractors that NTT wanted them to use charged $200 an hour. So James went on Yelp and found a company named Extra Care Movers that would do the work at one-tenth the cost.
The servers had user data on them, and James did not initially realize that, for privacy reasons, they were supposed to be wiped clean before being moved. … So James sent someone to Home Depot to buy big padlocks, and they sent the combination codes on a spreadsheet to Portland so the trucks could be opened there. “I can’t believe it worked,” James says.
LMAO who’s this James guy and why does he understand Musk so thoroughly like his own spouse?
On CHRISTMAS FUCKING EVE! He has like 10 kids. He started a fire drill for employees on Christmas Eve, they have families too. What a cartoonishly villainous thing to do.
Plot twist: Elon and James are the same person. Like in Fight Club.
James is the personality that comes out during particularly extreme manic episodes.
So all the dumb shit that Musk has done over the past year is all just part of project mayhem. (Don’t eat the soup, it has piss in it)
But that would make him cool somehow.
But a cousin of Musk suggested to Musk that they just do it themselves, while they were flying from the Bay Area to Austin
I really hope someone will just push musk out a window. He’s so incredibly stupid he doesn’t deserve his money or power.
Elon Musk is a privileged manchild who never grew out of his teenager phase, throwing around his inherited wealth like the kid from Blank Check and throwing temper tantrums anytime someone calls him out on his bullshit. Any claims to success he may have had been entirely in spite of him, not because of him. He doesn’t have any fucking idea what he’s doing and if any one of you or I failed even a fraction as much as Musk had, we’d have all been fired ten times over.
I really dislike Musk, but I find it hard to criticize this when it generally worked.
The platform formerly known as Twitter is still running, and there’s no more $100 million/year data center.
6-9 months would have meant $50-75 million dollars. I don’t know what the outages and re-engineering ended up costing them, but that’s a ton of money.
Looks like you’re the type the writer talks about at the end:
There’s something to be said for pushing back on needless rules and bureaucracy, but it helps if you actually understand stuff before doing so, rather than doing something like this that had half a dozen ways it could have ended in serious disaster and possible tragedy. The fact that it “only” resulted in Twitter falling over every few weeks for months likely means that Musk and his supporters got the very wrong lesson out of this.
What a giant twat muskrat is.
