I don’t get what the problem is? Anyone can elaborate.
Edit: Thank you all for shedding more light on this topic. I’ve never really used flatpak but I do understand it better now!
I don’t get what the problem is? Anyone can elaborate.
Edit: Thank you all for shedding more light on this topic. I’ve never really used flatpak but I do understand it better now!
All of these services are very new. Exactly what people want out of them — including what the people operating instances want out of them — is still being worked out.
This is not a commercial production service that you have a contract with. It’s an experimental system run by volunteers who don’t all have the same ideas in mind. People aren’t just working out the kinks — the process of discovering what this is all really for is still ongoing.
Expect friction. Expect weirdness. Expect rapid growth and, therefore, rapid change.
Also, expect people to fuss when they get surprised they can’t do something they want to. That’s also normal.
To clarify a minor point, beehaw isn’t new. It was established in Feb 2022, and it’s been thriving with a relatively small community up until this months crazy growth. They’re not so much finding their feet as trying to maintain an existing communities safety in the face of rapid growth.
Seems they’re just discovering what being “federated” actually means.
Not at all. They’ve been one of the largest instances on lemmy for over a year, and they federated widely during that time. The issue is that lemmy is still a relatively immature platform in terms of moderation features. The workload on their moderators to sustain federation and community safety with rudimentary moderation tools whilst the threadiverse population increases in size over 1000 fold is incredibly high.
So until moderation tools improve, their options are
My point is, there wasn’t really all that much content on other instances that would have posed a problem from a federation perspective before Lemmy blew up due to the reddit stuff. They largely were used to being in their own bubble with limited outside influence due to the obscurity of the Lemmy platform broadly.
I respect their desire to form the community how they see fit. That’s the beauty of the fediverse after all. I think it’ll be confusing for new users though who aren’t used to federation, both from those outside the instance and those who only created an account there because it hosted several large communities without really thinking about the implications of what the admins desire for their instance.
The answer is to create communities that mirror their biggest on more general purpose instances. A lot of contributors to Beehaw’s communities who weren’t on their instance probably feel a little miffed that they were helping pump content onto the Lemmy platform broadly, and now they’ve been defederated. Kinda sucks, but a good lesson for choosing your instance and the instance of communities you choose to contribute content to and help build, I guess.
Everything you’ve said here though is very different to your previous comment about them not understanding federation.
This reply is closer to the truth. They understand it quite fine, but have different priorities, and those priorities probably weren’t clear to a lot of their new members
@ada Egad. Yeah. I’d be very worried if someone messaged me saying pls be --moderator-- er admin. I’d be worried.
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It’s the other way around: new people and instances are learning that federation also means that other servers don’t want to federate with you, and that that’s okay. This is different from the usual ‘freeze peach’ stuff, this is just communities saying ‘we don’t want to hear you’.
Especially when by all accounts they only had 4 admin/mods running all of their communities…
Good point!
(Folks should still expect change, and be patient with the people running this stuff.)
@ada ie: not putting up with toxic redditors. Not just finding it’s feet, but now recovering from a 4 week bender and woke up finding it’s knee caps as well.
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