Ah, being America; you’re the bad guy when you interfere in other countries and you’re also the bad guy when you don’t interfere in other countries. The same people criticizing America for not doing anything today will turn around and start criticizing America for what they did, no matter what it was, if they get involved tomorrow. Everything you touch is your fault and everything you don’t touch is also your fault.
Maybe, just maybe, America shouldn’t be expected to insert itself into a Sudanese civil war. Maybe, just maybe, Middle Eastern and African powers should come together to deal with humanitarian crises in their own region and America should be, at most, a partner providing assistance only if and when requested.
That’s not true. Tankies love to shit on the US for “meddling” in Africa when a lot of the time its providing funding and weapons for regimes where the opponents are funded by Russia/Wagner/China. Depending on which way the wind blows, the US is either “overthrowing a legitimate regime” or “restoring the democratic process”.
It’s a no win. Africa is too weak to stabilize by itself after centuries of meddling, and if the US goes hands-off, Russia and China will just economically enslave them via predatory loans, like how neoliberal policies economically enslaved South/Central America to the US. I’d trust the US installed people for their own populace over Chinese/Russia installed people, given the respective human rights records of all involved.
Anyways, while 2003 onwards was a huge fuck up and absolutely abhorrent, Desert Shield/Storm was incredibly justified defending an ally under armed occupation and still gets shit on by Tankies.
One man’s humanitarian mission to shut down a warlord is another man’s mission to overthrow a regime and install US-friendly government.
2003 onward was shit, but before that with what they did in south and central America was pretty shit too. They also always fund the group that will let them grab the ressources, it’s never about which group has the best moral position or what’s best for the local population. There’s better ways to help than funding a civil war, wars that are usually orchestrated into being by them anyways.
Being against American imperialism does not equal being a tankie and I resent the implication. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a tankie.
Stop trying to make tankie work, it’s not really a thing since everyone uses it in different ways and means different things. North Korea, Russia and especially China would be tankies, since they use tanks to oppress their people like authoritarians do.
Don’t worry, I’m sure Wagner will come to help “restore the peace” and the Chinese will “lend a hand” by lending them a Chinese police force.
Europe needs to step up to the plate more, we can’t carry the entire team with one arm while the other arm deals with a moron who rolled a nat 20 on charisma and a nat 1 on intelligence. That, and his band of morons. Maybe we could back in the day when we had a well-educated population and politicians that didn’t get into slapfights over whether or not they look manly by causing the government to shut down. But not now.
Ah, being America; you’re the bad guy when you interfere in other countries and you’re also the bad guy when you don’t interfere in other countries. The same people criticizing America for not doing anything today will turn around and start criticizing America for what they did, no matter what it was, if they get involved tomorrow. Everything you touch is your fault and everything you don’t touch is also your fault.
Maybe, just maybe, America shouldn’t be expected to insert itself into a Sudanese civil war. Maybe, just maybe, Middle Eastern and African powers should come together to deal with humanitarian crises in their own region and America should be, at most, a partner providing assistance only if and when requested.
The problem is they always meddle for the wrong reasons. Nobody would be bothered if they helped in humanitarian ways.
Mostly it’s been:
Cause civil war to put up a corrupt dictator that will let them pilfer the countries ressources
Occupy the country themselves and pilfer the ressources while ignoring the needs of the population
Fund Israel or the Saudis brand new corpse making machine.
So ya, the US probably should help because they can and it’s morally the right thing to do, but they shouldn’t help like they “helped” Bagdad.
That’s not true. Tankies love to shit on the US for “meddling” in Africa when a lot of the time its providing funding and weapons for regimes where the opponents are funded by Russia/Wagner/China. Depending on which way the wind blows, the US is either “overthrowing a legitimate regime” or “restoring the democratic process”.
It’s a no win. Africa is too weak to stabilize by itself after centuries of meddling, and if the US goes hands-off, Russia and China will just economically enslave them via predatory loans, like how neoliberal policies economically enslaved South/Central America to the US. I’d trust the US installed people for their own populace over Chinese/Russia installed people, given the respective human rights records of all involved.
Anyways, while 2003 onwards was a huge fuck up and absolutely abhorrent, Desert Shield/Storm was incredibly justified defending an ally under armed occupation and still gets shit on by Tankies.
One man’s humanitarian mission to shut down a warlord is another man’s mission to overthrow a regime and install US-friendly government.
2003 onward was shit, but before that with what they did in south and central America was pretty shit too. They also always fund the group that will let them grab the ressources, it’s never about which group has the best moral position or what’s best for the local population. There’s better ways to help than funding a civil war, wars that are usually orchestrated into being by them anyways.
Being against American imperialism does not equal being a tankie and I resent the implication. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a tankie.
Stop trying to make tankie work, it’s not really a thing since everyone uses it in different ways and means different things. North Korea, Russia and especially China would be tankies, since they use tanks to oppress their people like authoritarians do.
Don’t worry, I’m sure Wagner will come to help “restore the peace” and the Chinese will “lend a hand” by lending them a Chinese police force.
Europe needs to step up to the plate more, we can’t carry the entire team with one arm while the other arm deals with a moron who rolled a nat 20 on charisma and a nat 1 on intelligence. That, and his band of morons. Maybe we could back in the day when we had a well-educated population and politicians that didn’t get into slapfights over whether or not they look manly by causing the government to shut down. But not now.
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America should invade America. They have oil and a lack of democracy.
This is exactly what’s going to happen if Trump wins, and he won’t be bringing democracy.
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In my experience the people saying “America should help” are almost always Americans.