Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.
I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.
(Also- hopefully this wasn’t posted already)
https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout
This was written by the Lemmy devs.
Update 2: My conclusion
Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that
Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml
It’s definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!
However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today’s climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it’s likely some do) they would just be fired, so it’s easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it’s all open and it’s harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.
It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.
Personally, I’d rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then…
Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency…
I’d rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.
I mean you’re more than free to start contributing to Lemmy and / or offer to be on the core team. You can fork it and start your own version of it not owned by them. The nice thing about having a communist (or at least an anticapitalist) developing it instead of a capitalist is that you have the freedom to do that. You cannot do that with Twitter, or with Reddit, or with Facebook, or with Instagram.
Capitalists will not voluntarily do that because it is unprofitable to them. Companies that do end up floundering or dead.
Idk to me there’s a very real difference between the two and I’d rather have a tankie developing a platform than someone like Elon Musk making it go to shit.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
This is so weird to me lol, maybe I’m just odd but it’s so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it’s ugly head after what… 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can’t stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.
I mean like why link a ‘Socialist FAQ’ that’s literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.
I think it’s more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Please stop spamming this in the thread, it’s annoying af.
Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn’t just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.
@spirit is making claims out of his ass though and taking lots of upvotes. I don’t agree with spamming but there is no proof the reddit user is Dessalines.
Okay, what I’m saying is a vast majority of the time people just say stupid shit online. And that’s it. This is a good way to say it, not ‘what does this person have to gain by doing the thing that internet users have done for forever to earn imaginary internet points? Are they trying to destroy Lemmy?’
thank you for the research & informing us
Happy to help. :)
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.
Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile
Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.
Step 3) Click
Contextto see which question it is answeringStep 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”
Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”
“Misinformation”.
Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?
Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.
Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/
Why are you taking a personal vendetta against the devs? LOL
I dislike genocide apologists about as much as I dislike liars and people who spread misinformation. It’s trivially easy to confirm who /u/parentis_shotgun is - so calling it misinformation is blatantly lying especially when their first point is blatantly wrong.
People can be OK with the dev being a Tankie (“separate the art from the artist” which is a terrible philosophy in its own right but people are welcome to believe in it this more of a philosophical difference) but denying that the dev is a Tankie is where I cross the line. The dev is a Tankie. Do with that information what you will but there is no denying it.
What is a “tankie” to begin with?
See: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam
But if that’s far too much reading - here’s a TL;DR that’s two paragraphs from it that sums it up nicely.
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Wow…thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I’ll be paying attention for any of these…moderations.
If you are not on lemmy.ml or lemmingrad there is nothing to look out for because these people have no influence on your content.
How about Lemmy.world? Whichgroupss will they influence mostly?
They moderste lemmy.ml and lemmingrad. Apart from those, in which they are admins, they have zero influence or power anywhere else… Lemmy world and other indtances have completely different people in charge.
The Lemmy.world server is owned by the same guy that owns Mastodon.world. Nothing to do with the Lemmy devs. Just mainstream general interest servers.
A lot of big communities are hosted on lemmy.ml. They have influence there.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.
Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile
Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.
Step 3) Click
Contextto see which question it is answeringStep 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”
Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”
“Misinformation”.
What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?
E:
Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.
Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/
You even get a second reply. Because…
Even if there wasn’t enough evidence that dessalines is parentis_shotgun - it doesn’t matter! dessalines does not deny being a Tankie and makes no efforts to hide their political thoughts. You can go to lemmy.ml and read through dessalines posts. Find the one where they say “I’m not exactly hiding my politics” and link to their essays on Github. Or you can just go to the essays from their Github profile after confirming that the dessalines that is a Lemmy dev is the same dessalines that is admin on Lemmy.ml and find the link to their essays that way.
There you can see they attempt to answer many questions. Some generic to Communism - but many more defending Tankie talking points such as:
Where they link to articles that deny the genocide.
And also defend Stalin by linking to revisionist propaganda:
And deny that the Cheka secret police murdered millions of people as ordered by The State:
They deny the Tiananmen Square massacre - calling it a propaganda hoax:
Their defense of China’s 1-child policy? “60,000,000 girls weren’t killed from infanticide. Only 35,000,000 were.” and they provide no other explanation for the severe gender imbalance that China has:
There isn’t any need to prove that dessalines is parentis_shotgun in order to claim that dessalines is a Tankie. dessalines is very openly a Tankie. One only needs to read the political thoughts that they openly share.
The famine existed, but it was not fabricated. It is proven there were many factors in play, such as climate that interfered with the crops.
This is just USA cold war propaganda to make communism look bad, USA alone killed even more and still does to this day. Want to talk about fabricate famine? USA is the only country forcing embargo against Cuba!
Are you implying the government killed girls?
You are so inebriated in western propaganda it is disgusting.
“Ukraine always suffered famine on a 7 year cycle. This was that cycle.”
Yea I’ve heard the Tankie excuses before. Next you’ll blame the kulaks for not selling their grain to The State because they were too greedy to accept The State’s price for the grain.
So that we’re 100% clear - you’re denying the existence of О операции по репрессированию бывших кулаков, уголовников и других антисоветских элементов? I don’t want to dance around the subject.
I’m not here to defend the US. Fuck the US too.
The government? Goodness, no! The entire purpose of The State is to make sure that there are enough layers of indirection and bureaucracy such that no blame could ever befall The State. The blame will always be at a lower, more expendable level that can be only denied or blamed as a defector or someone disobeying “actual” State policy.
A not insignificant number of parents from villages where State officials wouldn’t look the other way? Certainly. You don’t end up with a gender ratio this fucked otherwise.
The easy way to get around the one-child policy was to not register your child with The State - as pointed out by the Tankie defense of the policy. In order to do that you needed an official willing to look the other way.
Wow, refuted. I am no Tankie, at least not by the definition you linked lol.
I want to know where you get your number from. You mentioned he killed millions. Look, I don’t defend his actions, Fuck Stalin, but all these numbers are absurd!
So you mean the purpose of this police was to make parents kill their children?
You’re clearly not here to have a discussion or engaging in good faith. I said exactly what I said.
The existence of State Officials is to impose the will and authority of The State. The State is often very intentionally vague so that they can claim to enforce whatever it is they wish to enforce without appearing to contradict themselves. It is a very deliberate tactic and the CCP is not the first or only government to do so. Most government laws are written in this manner to be intentionally broad or vague so that it can be enforced how The State wishes it to be enforced because The State exists only to increase and broaden The State’s power. If the public interprets it differently and shows support for it - even better! This is how countries get things like the Patriot Act passed with widespread public approval until the public becomes aware of how The State interprets the law. The State’s primary job is to ensure that the public does not become aware and to deflect and lie as much as possible to defend The State’s position and The State’s authority of power.
Right. Giving off real “I don’t deny the Holocaust but 6.000.000 is looking kinda sus. Smells of Jewish propaganda.” vibes.
Must have been stated as sarcasm if Ned is : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
since they are fighting specifically against this kind of United States’s actions.
I mean regardless of the devs’ opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project
Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It’s nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)
I agree with you yet I was not completely clear : I meant to say that lemmygrad.ml are fighting that.
Ah I see
This is some really McCarthyism here.
Stop being lame, my dude.
You are amazing! Thanks for the time spent on OSINT
If this is OSINT call me the CIA (slight /s)
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
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Wow, this is a lot to digest. Thank you for putting this all together.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
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lol you are being just pathetic.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
What are you gaining from spreading misinformation, or trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
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lmao you actually believe that us joking around that we’re being funded by the NED is evidence that muad’dibber is funded by them?
For your information the NED is a CIA front created by an Act of Congress, it’s a tool of regime change established after the CIA lost their capabilities to simply go change presidents in other countries in the 60s-70s.
The running joke on Lemmygrad is that we’re all feds. You’re wayyy out of your depth lol
What happened in this thread lol, complete change in retoric and basically only posted about programming afterwards https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/y2rzhg/interview_with_anarchocommunist_combat/is5kna7/
Jesus christ, what a dumpster fire that comments section was.
There is nothing that links to @dessalines@lemmy.ml there.
Ask yourself: what is this person gaining from spreading misinformation and trying to make people to hate Lemmy developers?
I never said anything about that person, your copy/paste comment is not relevant to what I said. I don’t hate the devs, I said the comments section of the post that was linked to is a dumpster fire of tankies and genocide apologists.
I am talking about @spirit not you.
Then why are you replying to me…?
to inform you.
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You mean to say : except for that excellent comment you replied to ?
I’m referring to the comments section on the post he linked to, where half the comments are tankies trying to defend the actions of the admins who were banning users and calling them racist for criticizing the CCP/Kremlin.
okay now I get it 👍
Apologies for not being clearer!
This is ridiculous. If you ant helping get the hell out!