I’m pro vaccine and am vaccinated. But I’ve also had covid three times since I was able to be vaccinated, and one time before then. That’s different than the polio vaccine and basically all vaccines except the flu shot. If your rhetoric around this vaccine doesn’t acknowledge this and give reasons to get it anyway, you’re not even trying.
The Covid vaccine didn’t guarantee that you would not get Covid. It gave you a better chance you wouldn’t get hospital sick and die. My boss was anti vaccine. He died in the hospital 3 years ago. I still miss him, he was a great boss. He listened to right wing media and Alex Jones and voted for Trump.
The Covid vaccine didn’t guarantee that you would not get Covid.
It was a bit different with the original strain of the virus though. Transmission was sufficiently reduced that with a fairly high vaccination rate, I’d would have fizzled out. We were so hopeful…
But with the new variants and 90%+ vaccinated populations, it still circulates 😞
It reduces the risk of it developing into a full infection, and it reduces the severity of an infection that does develop
Infective diseases aren’t binary things, there’s a gradient of how badly it hits you. That’s why catching the same illness at different times might hit you with varying levels. You can think back to the three times you had COVID and how bad each instance of it was
The “battle” analogy works well for most of the infective diseases stuff, and different diseases behave in different ways.
Why do some vaccines work better
Vaccines tell you what the infective agent looks/behaves like. It might be a part of the infective agent, a killed one, a weakened one, or it might be some byproduct it creates, etc. Depending on how good that message is, the vaccine will work better or worse.
What method to use also depends on what the infective agent is. If it’s very similar to something harmless, you don’t want to be triggering false positives. Lots of immune diseases are caused by the immune system becoming active when it shouldn’t. So sometimes you CAN’T (with our current knowledge) make it any stronger
Some diseases, like polio, need time to settle, and they need to go through certain steps (think setting up camp) before they cause the visible symptoms. Part of that is also dependent on where the infective agent enters, and where it can cause the harm/symptoms (nervous system vs respiratory tract). This is also where the vaccine is important. Maybe you still get the cold symptoms, but the vaccine makes it so COVID doesn’t get to the point where it messes up your sense of smell.
Another aspect of vaccines is to stop transmission. Similar to the reasons above, how well it can stop transmission will vary. Also important is how many people get the vaccine and how fast it is spreading. Diseases that spread rapidly, or cases when not enough people are vaccinated, will make it hard to eradicate
Some other ways different infections might be better/worse
it depends on how badly you were exposed. If a whole lot of viruses manage to land and make camp in/on a part of the body where they can multiply, your infection will be worse.
it depends on how strong your immune system was / how well it was functioning. This is pretty self explanatory, and depends on things like diet, rest, stress, etc.
A fun sub point to the above is that maybe you got exposed a bunch of times, where a tiny landing party arrived and got killed off easily. This might be part of why some people never get a bad infection without the vaccine (in addition to being lucky in general). Maybe the person had a bunch of near misses and built up immunity that way.
Why get COVID vaccine
Like people said elsewhere, it lowers risk a significant amount.
Yes there is a risk of certain complications, but those complications are also present (in a much worse severity) with the disease itself. So if you’re at risk from the vaccine, you’re likely at a bigger risk from the disease and you should talk to your doctor to weigh the pros and cons (do you take the vaccine and have them monitor you for a bit, or do you isolate entirely and mask up more than others).
Ultimately it’s hard to prove that the vaccine helped you without having two timelines and comparing what happened to you in each. But with our current understanding of immunology and microbiology, the vaccine most likely helped you
There’s a whole suite of vaccines which do not provide what you’re asking for: sterilizing immunity. That’s the penultimate ability of a vaccine. It’s incredible we’re even able to create anything of that character given we’re fighting against living, evolving things.
Setting the minimum bar to “I must never get sick” instead of “won’t find myself in a grave” or “I wasn’t able to work for a month and was stuck in a hospital for three weeks” is a crazy thing to hang onto.
The covid vaccines, to my knowledge, reduced the death rates very significantly. Hence I think that talking about cemeteries would not be too inaccurate in that context.
However, there surely are vaccines that “just” reduce non lethal risks, but from a short post, addressing the general topic of vaccines and people who oppose them in general, I don’t demand too many details.
That’s different than the polio vaccine and basically all vaccines except the flu shot.
I thought that the reason why you don’t catch measles, polio, etc. is partly due to the fact that you got the vaccine, but also largely because everybody else got the vaccine, too. This is called “herd immunity”. Every time you get exposed to a virus, you roll the dice. Getting a vaccine gives you a hefty bonus to that dice roll, but you still want to roll those dice as little as possible, because no vaccine is 100% effective.
One way that influenza and COVID are different is that they mutate like crazy, which is why you have to keep getting updated booster shots every year. With COVID, not only do we have a bunch of different strains flying around, but we also have people who refuse to get the vaccine, wear a mask, stay home when they’re sick, and so on, and COVID is super-contagious. So, while getting a vaccine will help load the dice in your favor, the odds of you never getting it are extremely low, even if you do everything right. But that dice bonus will still lower the odds of you getting sick, and it also lowers the odds of severe illness if you do get sick.
I’m pro vaccine and am vaccinated. But I’ve also had covid three times since I was able to be vaccinated, and one time before then. That’s different than the polio vaccine and basically all vaccines except the flu shot. If your rhetoric around this vaccine doesn’t acknowledge this and give reasons to get it anyway, you’re not even trying.
You already have your answer there. The purpose is to reduce the risk of severe illness and death, not make you immune.
The Covid vaccine didn’t guarantee that you would not get Covid. It gave you a better chance you wouldn’t get hospital sick and die. My boss was anti vaccine. He died in the hospital 3 years ago. I still miss him, he was a great boss. He listened to right wing media and Alex Jones and voted for Trump.
Covid has mutated and has variants now.
It was a bit different with the original strain of the virus though. Transmission was sufficiently reduced that with a fairly high vaccination rate, I’d would have fizzled out. We were so hopeful…
But with the new variants and 90%+ vaccinated populations, it still circulates 😞
It reduces the risk of it developing into a full infection, and it reduces the severity of an infection that does develop
Infective diseases aren’t binary things, there’s a gradient of how badly it hits you. That’s why catching the same illness at different times might hit you with varying levels. You can think back to the three times you had COVID and how bad each instance of it was
The “battle” analogy works well for most of the infective diseases stuff, and different diseases behave in different ways.
Why do some vaccines work better
Vaccines tell you what the infective agent looks/behaves like. It might be a part of the infective agent, a killed one, a weakened one, or it might be some byproduct it creates, etc. Depending on how good that message is, the vaccine will work better or worse.
Some diseases, like polio, need time to settle, and they need to go through certain steps (think setting up camp) before they cause the visible symptoms. Part of that is also dependent on where the infective agent enters, and where it can cause the harm/symptoms (nervous system vs respiratory tract). This is also where the vaccine is important. Maybe you still get the cold symptoms, but the vaccine makes it so COVID doesn’t get to the point where it messes up your sense of smell.
Another aspect of vaccines is to stop transmission. Similar to the reasons above, how well it can stop transmission will vary. Also important is how many people get the vaccine and how fast it is spreading. Diseases that spread rapidly, or cases when not enough people are vaccinated, will make it hard to eradicate
Some other ways different infections might be better/worse
it depends on how badly you were exposed. If a whole lot of viruses manage to land and make camp in/on a part of the body where they can multiply, your infection will be worse.
it depends on how strong your immune system was / how well it was functioning. This is pretty self explanatory, and depends on things like diet, rest, stress, etc.
A fun sub point to the above is that maybe you got exposed a bunch of times, where a tiny landing party arrived and got killed off easily. This might be part of why some people never get a bad infection without the vaccine (in addition to being lucky in general). Maybe the person had a bunch of near misses and built up immunity that way.
Why get COVID vaccine
Like people said elsewhere, it lowers risk a significant amount.
Yes there is a risk of certain complications, but those complications are also present (in a much worse severity) with the disease itself. So if you’re at risk from the vaccine, you’re likely at a bigger risk from the disease and you should talk to your doctor to weigh the pros and cons (do you take the vaccine and have them monitor you for a bit, or do you isolate entirely and mask up more than others).
Ultimately it’s hard to prove that the vaccine helped you without having two timelines and comparing what happened to you in each. But with our current understanding of immunology and microbiology, the vaccine most likely helped you
There’s a whole suite of vaccines which do not provide what you’re asking for: sterilizing immunity. That’s the penultimate ability of a vaccine. It’s incredible we’re even able to create anything of that character given we’re fighting against living, evolving things.
Setting the minimum bar to “I must never get sick” instead of “won’t find myself in a grave” or “I wasn’t able to work for a month and was stuck in a hospital for three weeks” is a crazy thing to hang onto.
Just because you don’t understand what vaccinations do doesn’t mean they don’t work.
The covid vaccines, to my knowledge, reduced the death rates very significantly. Hence I think that talking about cemeteries would not be too inaccurate in that context.
However, there surely are vaccines that “just” reduce non lethal risks, but from a short post, addressing the general topic of vaccines and people who oppose them in general, I don’t demand too many details.
I thought that the reason why you don’t catch measles, polio, etc. is partly due to the fact that you got the vaccine, but also largely because everybody else got the vaccine, too. This is called “herd immunity”. Every time you get exposed to a virus, you roll the dice. Getting a vaccine gives you a hefty bonus to that dice roll, but you still want to roll those dice as little as possible, because no vaccine is 100% effective.
One way that influenza and COVID are different is that they mutate like crazy, which is why you have to keep getting updated booster shots every year. With COVID, not only do we have a bunch of different strains flying around, but we also have people who refuse to get the vaccine, wear a mask, stay home when they’re sick, and so on, and COVID is super-contagious. So, while getting a vaccine will help load the dice in your favor, the odds of you never getting it are extremely low, even if you do everything right. But that dice bonus will still lower the odds of you getting sick, and it also lowers the odds of severe illness if you do get sick.