I think what everyone is honestly mad about is that we had stories in Legends that people were attached to for many years before the movies. I think the biggest offense the movies had was bringing Palps back, which was also unpopular in the comics. My only other gripe is the end. I wanted Ben and Rey standing together, and to see them finally standing together. But that didn’t happen. Other than that it was pretty classic Star Wars stuff. People are just gonna be pissed with big IPs, can’t please everyone.
What’s hilarious is that a Fortnite event was where his broadcast was played; iirc we didn’t even hear it in the actual movie, just that he is back… somehow.
This also means that Fortnite is canonical to the Disney EU.
They alluded to it, showing the vats of snoke-esque body parts, as well as the classic “unnatural” line, but they never outright explain it. Basically, unless you’re a hardcore fan who can pick up on the hints, I think you’d have a hard time understanding how he came back. Hence the criticism of the “Somehow” statement. Personally, I just think it is a bad line. It highlights that if the writers really wanted to bring Palpatine back, they would have needed to build up to it throughout the trilogy. By just saying “somehow”, the skip over what could have been a captivating mystery, had they had the time to make it. That, in my opinion, is the biggest flaw of the sequels. The lack of direction with no ending in mind. In my opinion, a good plot twist has clues that build up to the big reveal. That is mostly nonexistent here, as it’s clear Abrams vision in mind when making The Force Awakens. He just wanted to say he made a star wars movie, then move on with his career.
I mean, sure, but was the Palpatine Anakin killed a clone (therefore reducing his impact)? Is the new palps a clone? Does he have palps consciousness or just a copy of his memories? If he’s a clone, who made him and raised him? He seems pretty old, is it because of accelerated clone aging or because he’s the original?
You know, interesting sci-fi/force things to explore in a sci-fi/force trilogy.
Right, I felt it was a waste of fantastic stories to give us a poorly planned one that they’ve been trying to slowly retcon ever since. That’s why we’ve been getting all the mandoverse stuff and why Thrawn is back in the spotlight.
They just initially shied away from recasting the OT characters so they could bring that star power to the projects. Sadly even with the star power and nostalgia the story didn’t hit a home run. So now we’re getting a reworked version of the Thrawn trilogy which is what should have been the case from the beginning, and hopefully this version can retcon some events to make the ST feel less jarring.
It wasn’t jarring though. The glaring issue is that they borrowed their main villain reveal from a comic line that was not that popular to begin with. Nobody ever really liked Palps returning even before it was on the silver screen. He had six films lets move on to the One Sith. TFA was a perfect opener to the trilogy, though. Love it.
Completely agree palps should’ve been left in the reactor of the 2nd death star.
For all the world universe building, we see precious little of it outside of the legends novels.
I was interested and excited during TFA, but the macguffin chase and nostalgia dump made it feel less of a movie and more like filler setting the stage. What came after was what really disappointed.
I was a non-Legends SW fan who did very much dislike the sequels. I think they were very wasteful with the characters. Instead of developing them and allowing them to organically create the plot, a lot of the plot was forced and the underdeveloped characters had to react to it. The Last Jedi actually did try to do some character development, but it only developed half of them while practically executing the other half. Holdo, Rose, and especially Hux were all victims
I think what everyone is honestly mad about is that we had stories in Legends that people were attached to for many years before the movies. I think the biggest offense the movies had was bringing Palps back, which was also unpopular in the comics. My only other gripe is the end. I wanted Ben and Rey standing together, and to see them finally standing together. But that didn’t happen. Other than that it was pretty classic Star Wars stuff. People are just gonna be pissed with big IPs, can’t please everyone.
Wouldn’t have even been that bad bringing palps back if they bothered to give it any exposition.
But no, instead we got
“Somehow”
What’s hilarious is that a Fortnite event was where his broadcast was played; iirc we didn’t even hear it in the actual movie, just that he is back… somehow.
This also means that Fortnite is canonical to the Disney EU.
They read a transcript of it in the movie but not the actual broadcast.
Didn’t they show the whole cloning thing or was that two different movies?
They alluded to it, showing the vats of snoke-esque body parts, as well as the classic “unnatural” line, but they never outright explain it. Basically, unless you’re a hardcore fan who can pick up on the hints, I think you’d have a hard time understanding how he came back. Hence the criticism of the “Somehow” statement. Personally, I just think it is a bad line. It highlights that if the writers really wanted to bring Palpatine back, they would have needed to build up to it throughout the trilogy. By just saying “somehow”, the skip over what could have been a captivating mystery, had they had the time to make it. That, in my opinion, is the biggest flaw of the sequels. The lack of direction with no ending in mind. In my opinion, a good plot twist has clues that build up to the big reveal. That is mostly nonexistent here, as it’s clear Abrams vision in mind when making The Force Awakens. He just wanted to say he made a star wars movie, then move on with his career.
I always thought it was really clearly cloning. Haven’t seen the movie in a long while but never felt like they didn’t explain it.
I mean, sure, but was the Palpatine Anakin killed a clone (therefore reducing his impact)? Is the new palps a clone? Does he have palps consciousness or just a copy of his memories? If he’s a clone, who made him and raised him? He seems pretty old, is it because of accelerated clone aging or because he’s the original?
You know, interesting sci-fi/force things to explore in a sci-fi/force trilogy.
New one was a clone, I just assumed it was 1-1 clone. I don’t think it all needs to be explored and explained. I felt the same way about the force.
Right, I felt it was a waste of fantastic stories to give us a poorly planned one that they’ve been trying to slowly retcon ever since. That’s why we’ve been getting all the mandoverse stuff and why Thrawn is back in the spotlight. They just initially shied away from recasting the OT characters so they could bring that star power to the projects. Sadly even with the star power and nostalgia the story didn’t hit a home run. So now we’re getting a reworked version of the Thrawn trilogy which is what should have been the case from the beginning, and hopefully this version can retcon some events to make the ST feel less jarring.
It wasn’t jarring though. The glaring issue is that they borrowed their main villain reveal from a comic line that was not that popular to begin with. Nobody ever really liked Palps returning even before it was on the silver screen. He had six films lets move on to the One Sith. TFA was a perfect opener to the trilogy, though. Love it.
Completely agree palps should’ve been left in the reactor of the 2nd death star. For all the
worlduniverse building, we see precious little of it outside of the legends novels. I was interested and excited during TFA, but the macguffin chase and nostalgia dump made it feel less of a movie and more like filler setting the stage. What came after was what really disappointed.I was a non-Legends SW fan who did very much dislike the sequels. I think they were very wasteful with the characters. Instead of developing them and allowing them to organically create the plot, a lot of the plot was forced and the underdeveloped characters had to react to it. The Last Jedi actually did try to do some character development, but it only developed half of them while practically executing the other half. Holdo, Rose, and especially Hux were all victims