A controversial rule restricting speech about Israel was dropped after artists abandoned festival lineups in Germany’s techno mecca.

A controversial rule restricting speech about Israel was dropped after artists abandoned festival lineups in Germany’s techno mecca.

    • PonyOfWar@pawb.socialEnglish
      684·
      9 months ago

      Even if you believe Israel to be completely justified in everything they do, there should never be a blanket ban on criticizing the methods of a country at war.

      • MrCookieRespect@reddthat.comEnglish
        1172·
        9 months ago

        The ban wasn’t on criticism it was on their blunt antisemitism and terrorism support. There has been lost of criticism in Germany about Israels methods.

        • PonyOfWar@pawb.socialEnglish
          514·
          9 months ago

          Sure, it was, at least according to the article. Emphasis mine:

          which explicitly forbids any speech that “questions Israel’s right to exist” or criticizes the country’s occupation of Palestinian land.

          • muelltonne@feddit.deEnglish
            116·
            9 months ago

            And that is why Vice is a trash publication. Here is the correct text:

            „Alle potenziellen Zuwendungsempfängerinnen und –empfänger bekennen sich damit zu einer vielfältigen Gesellschaft und gegen jede Form von Antisemitismus gemäß der Antisemitismus-Definition der International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) und ihrer Erweiterung durch die Bundesregierung. Sie verpflichten sich dazu, alles Notwendige zu veranlassen, um sicherzustellen, dass die gewährten Fördergelder keinen Vereinigungen zugutekommen, die als terroristisch und/oder extremistisch eingestuft werden.“ “All potential grant recipients are thus committed to a diverse society and against all forms of antisemitism in accordance with the definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) and its extension by the German government. They undertake to take all necessary steps to ensure that the funding granted does not benefit associations that are classified as terrorist and/or extremist.”

            https://www.tagesspiegel.de/kultur/chialo-erlass-gegen-antisemitismus-berlins-kultureinrichtungen-bekommen-neue-forderrichtlinien-11006422.html

            And what is in the IHRA-definition?

            “Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews that can be expressed as hatred towards Jews. Anti-Semitism is directed in word or deed against Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property as well as against Jewish community institutions or religious institutions. In addition, the state of Israel, which is understood as a Jewish collective, can also be the target of such attacks.”

            https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/kultur-und-gesellschaft/-/216610

            There’s nothing in there about “criticising the countries occupation of Palestinian lands”. You just can’t fucking mask your antisemitism by raging against Israel.

            • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.eeEnglish
              344·
              9 months ago

              Wanting foreign invaders out of the land they stole almost a century ago is not antisemetic.

                  • roastedDeflator@kbin.socialOP
                    274·
                    9 months ago

                    According to zionists and their allies, only.

                    Take a look at what Jewish Voice for Peace have to say:

                    Our Approach to Zionism

                    Jewish Voice for Peace is guided by a vision of justice, equality and freedom for all people. We unequivocally oppose Zionism because it is counter to those ideals.
                    (…)
                    Palestinian dispossession and occupation are by design. Zionism has meant profound trauma for generations, systematically separating Palestinians from their homes, land, and each other. Zionism, in practice, has resulted in massacres of Palestinian people, ancient villages and olive groves destroyed, families who live just a mile away from each other separated by checkpoints and walls, and children holding onto the keys of the homes from which their grandparents were forcibly exiled.
                    (…)

                  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.eeEnglish
                    11·
                    9 months ago

                    That would mean criticizing Lebensraum is anti german racism.

                    “They just want their historical homeland!”

                    “Why won’t those poles just stop attacking germany if they want peace so badly‽”

                  • hightrix@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    111·
                    9 months ago

                    Keep saying this. Every time you do Israel loses more public support.

                    The shield has been used up and is no longer valid. The general public no longer accepts you zealots calling every criticism of Israel antisemitism.

                    So fuck you and fuck Israel. Yes Israel has a right to exist, but they do not have a right to illegally steal land. Palestine has a right to exist also.

              • MrCookieRespect@reddthat.comEnglish
                437·
                9 months ago

                It is, its idiotic and they stole the land as well.

                This is the same argument Russia has for Ukraine btw.

                • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.deEnglish
                  322·
                  9 months ago

                  No they didn’t. Even the christian crusaders, who where happy to commit pogroms against jews in Europe as a sort of “motivational entertainment” had to note the peaceful coexistence of jews, christians and muslims under islamic rule.

                  The Palestinians of today are the descendants of the biblical abrahamic tribes. White european, often secular, jews, who now control Israel are killing the people whose lineage is closer to David and Abraham, than theirs could ever be.

                  • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
                    59·
                    9 months ago

                    The main reason the jews under the Ottoman empire started the Yishuv and congregated in Palestine hoping to get their own country was that they were seriously discriminated against under islamic rule. They had to pay more taxes, were restricted in what clothing they could wear, were not allowed to build or maintain houses of worship, ride horses, carry weapons, … and were generally valued as less than muslims wrt legal rulings. This wasn’t enforced everywhere throughout the entire history of the empire, but I don’t think anyone would be happy in that situation.

                    Currently, less than half the Israelis are descendent from ‘white European’ immigrants

                  • MrCookieRespect@reddthat.comEnglish
                    420·
                    9 months ago

                    Bro you come with David and Abraham when in reality it’s about the right for Israel to exist. And that right is granted. There is no legitimate discussion about it everyone thinking Israel shouldn’t exists is antisemitic and a idiot.

                    This place of land has been inhabited for almost the entire human history and pre-history. It had many rulers. Now its Israel and thats it.

                • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
                  192·
                  9 months ago

                  It is, its idiotic and they stole the land as well.

                  I know you and your ilk don’t care about that, but no they didn’t. The Palestinians of today are the same Palestinians of 2000 years ago. Palestine wasn’t only Jews.

                  • MrCookieRespect@reddthat.comEnglish
                    219·
                    9 months ago

                    And yet they killed all the jews and whats before that? Our history is a little longer than 2000 years… About 12000 years to be specific. (if we take the first city as the start of human civilization)

                    Also Judaism is a lot older than Islam, wich is even younger than Christianity, wich itself is based on Judaism.

                  • MrCookieRespect@reddthat.comEnglish
                    220·
                    9 months ago

                    And yet they killed all the jews and whats before that? Our history is a little longer than 2000 years… About 12000 years to be specific. (if we take the first city as the start of human civilization)

                    Also Judaism is a lot older than Islam, wich is even younger than Christianity, wich itself is based on Judaism.

            • JustMy2c@lemm.eeEnglish
              81·
              9 months ago

              Wow that makes all Germans anti semites as well?

              Cause they want their own country SOVEREIGN and some jews happen to live there?

            • Maeve@kbin.social
              82·
              9 months ago

              They did until Balfour decided to just take land from people already there and arbitrarily draw new lines on a map, probably with a sharpie.

      • ThermoToaster@exng.memeEnglish
        248·
        9 months ago

        Please keep it civil here. After all we can still discuss and explain why some opinions are objectively bad.