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    7 months ago

    “The report detailed how the user managed to leak DNS queries when disabling and enabling VPN while having “Block connections without VPN” on.”

    Not to diminish the severity of the issue but I can’t imagine this being the factor that pushes the average person to ios over android.

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      I’m not sure of anyone who switches from iOS. Once you are in the ecosystem they won’t let you leave.

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        Why is this stupidity repeated ad nauseum? I’ve successfully switched from iOS to Android and back to iOS again without any hindrance.

        It’s not any different from switching from windows to Linux.

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          Then why can’t I use an Apple watch with anything but Apple products? Why do I need a Mac to create iOS apps?

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            If you just have an iPhone and nothing else and treat it like a smart phone it is very easy to migrate over to android and vice versa. If you get invested in the apple ecosystem it might be hard to leave or use some other products that are gimped without an iPhone

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              Third party products will not work well with an iPhone as Apple makes sure that there products work best. Additionally, iphones have very bad SMS and MMS support.

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            Lmao. People really are just out there on the raggedy edge. The watch communicates with a shit ton of sensors and other tech only found on Apple devices. Also, last I checked, I can’t run an Android Watch on iPhone fully, there is always a slew of things that don’t work or kinda work. Maybe Apple didn’t want that experience for its users.

            You need a Mac to build Apple apps because why in the actual fuck would you use a PC to do that!? What’s the point?

            I’m not defending Apple as they clearly gate a lot of shit but the complaining about the dumbest shit ever doesn’t make them Nazis. Also, Google, Samsung, Microsoft, all of them are the same level of asshole. Big Tech is trash. This is not new news.

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              You could use an Android watch with iOS but Apple will not let you. I don’t get why you are defending Apple

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                What do you mean don’t let you? https://screenrant.com/samsung-galaxy-watch-4-use-with-iphone-compatible-explained/

                Same shit as with Apple on Android, basic functionality, nothing more.

                So you blame Apple for Android having basic functionality with an aWatch but then blame Apple for a Samsung Watch having basic functionality on iOS? So it’s just Apple’s fault all the way around then?

                I guess you also missed the part where I say all big tech is the same? And are all basically shit? Or you just didn’t read that far…

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    Mullvad is awesome. i think this is the second android bug/incident they brought to light?

    Anyway, really really hope this gets fixed upstream, maybe by Graphene

    How much you wanna bet this was intentional by Google? 😏

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    What I don’t understand though, doesn’t using mullvad automatically set their own DNS?

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      On the desktop it does. But on Android things are maybe different ? Not directly related but I remember (long time ago) wanting to tether from an Android phone with Mullvad VPN app in use, to a computer, only to find out that the Android defaults (In Android not in the Mullvad app) needed a button swiped to make it work correctly on the other device.

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      Only if your Android connection is set to automatic DNS. Additionally, they are assuming it is an OS bug. However, they also acknowledge that they had to fix something on their app to mitigate. I tried myself with Wireguard instead, killed the network access to it, and nothing ever left my phone, as Android immediately killed all connections due to the VPN always on feature.

      So, I’m going to take their claim with a grain of salt until AOSP says something about this and denies or confirms the alleged bug.

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    Any system app on Android, the captive portal login and more CAN all bypass a VPN in “block all other connections” mode.

    Android is really problematic and having as little system apps as possible is the only fix.

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          You and I don’t have to imagine that, dummy. We’ve already done it.

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            Well idk about you but I did it many times unfortunately. Imagine accusing people in what you’ve done yourself I guess. Very pathetic indeed

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            Realistically speaking, I’m not. Technically speaking, accusing people in what I do too may not be considered bad but that depends on the culture. Anyways I didn’t mean to be rude when I made that original comment. I still don’t understand how was it rude. I guess it’s my English knowledge that sucks again

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              You said “imagine doing a thing” implying it was a really dumb idea… Like imagine eating a tidepod… Crazy right?

              But it was “imagine using a android” which like 70% of the world uses… Now your implying 70% of the world is doing something so dumb it is surprising you.

              People sensibly ask you, what should they be using instead if they care about freedom etc, and your reply is use something that doesn’t exist yet…

              So now the full circle is imagine doing a thing, crazy! , you should really be using something that doesn’t exist yet… You created a rhetorical situation thats impossible, and that’s why people respond very negatively to you. Your logic is inconsistent.

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                1. I didn’t know the imagine phrase means it’s stupid. I thought it’s just judgment (e. g. imagine killing people). And I didn’t even say it very seriously. I already explained the reason. If you care to actually be fair, read that

                2. In this case I understand why people would respond negatively but imo rudeness and general toxicity is not justified. These things are always bad. Well maybe except the cases when the other side acts the same way or is just evil and you use toxicity as a form of terminating the person’s ability to hurt others. Though if what I said really was extremely rude, probably it’s fair idk

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                  I haven’t been rude to you. Or at least I don’t think I have been.

                  I explained everything as clearly as I could.

                  Remember with communication, it’s not your intent it’s the perception that’s important. And yes your initial phrase came off as hostile and condescending

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            I honesty don’t understand the rudeness. What I said is unpopular as 8K monitors and I do think it can be downvoted but why being rude? I just don’t want to participate in toxicity because then I become toxic too. Ignorance is the best in this case. And I use LineageOS that’s based on Android btw

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      Well, yes, I prefer desktop. But you know, in some countries some people have nothing else than phones. I am glad that Mullvad has posted this and hopefully Google can fix the bugs soon.

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              Well, I didn’t see the other comments till now, and wrote Upvoted as an alternative to Insightful which I was intending it to sound. I appreciated your comment because I think Google likely have their own priorities.

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                Well yea I understand. I just didn’t know what else to say. I didn’t want to just upvote and not reply because I don’t want to ignore nice (no I’m not saying that upvoting me makes you nice) people in this toxic and hopeless world. In the contrary I want to promote them. Though nobody (probably even myself) will believe in it after everything I’ve done and said here for various reasons. I guess it’s an imagine being sus moment

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                  All fine. Your comment where you mentioned autistic suddenly made me “understand” the let-s-call-them misunderstandings in this thread. And I agree about the toxic world, but we’re all in the same boat, so I’d say we may as well be nice to each other at least a few seconds per day. Sometimes small things can make a big difference.

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        Well iOS does have its advantages but tbh there are no fully usable alternatives for Android now. Hopefully Linux will get better on phones because I feel like we do need an alternative at this point

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          Well, we live in right now, and right now, mobile Linux just isn’t suitable for many people, and the hardware that actually supports mobile Linux is a whole other story. It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone at all anymore, either. Calyx, Graphene and Lineage are the current best options. To say someone is stupid for using these is, well, stupid.

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            I didn’t say that people who use Android are stupid and neither I intended to. What I meant is that Android is really enshittificated now. “It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone” is another story. I think relying on phones too much hurts people and the world a lot but again that’s a whole new story

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              Okay, but saying “Imagine using Android” paints a certain picture. And, yes, relying on phones is dangerous. It’s not that it’s impossible to live without a smartphone, it’s that arbitrary systems have been put up in society that have created a large dependence on them.

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              Stock android is definitely enshitified - but there is still hope with custom os’s

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      LineageOS with Jerboa over Mullvad VPN here. Not many options on mobile devices.

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        And Android runs a shit load of portable devices beyond phones.

        Most handheld store scanners are Android based today. Inventory management devices (like warehouses have used since the nineties) used to be Palm-based, are largely Android now, because it’s core is Linux. They don’t have to run the standard Android shell, they can run their own.

        I’ve used medical monitors that are Android based.

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        Yea unfortunately. Hopefully the enshittification of new versions will speed up the development of alternatives

        EDIT: imagine raiding (now seriously)

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      All things I use, besides JavaScript on websites and firmware, is basically open source.
      I am lucky to use open protocols for communication only, as when deleting Facebook my friends were willing to use Matrix with me.
      I can do many many compromises.

      But still, I have OnePlus 6T with mobile Linux and absolutely cannot switch now. I would love to, but working camera and some alternative to Organic Maps is a must I cannot jump around when Android is “just” fine now.