Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it’s actually pretty popular.

Do you have some that’s really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?

  • Erasmus@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Both parties - Democrat and Republican - here in the US - are part of the ‘problem’ and need to go. We desperately need a third or multi party system and an end to this bullshit of geriatrics ruling our government and making decisions.

    I would make comments about the first line all the time on Reddit and immediately get downvoted to hell because people would start arguing or making comparisons to the old ‘two sides of the same coin’ bit. That’s fine if that’s how you want to see it.

    I get it, we all have certain things we fight for that the other party shits on, women’s rights (abortion), equal rights, labor, gun control, taxes, etc.

    But both parties still serve their corporate masters and still do their damndest to turn people here in the US against each other using ever scare tactic imaginable and thru the media sources (Fox, CNN).

    They just keep playing the Game to turn people against each other and create more decisiveness and more power for them.

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      11 months ago

      You won’t get downvote for suggesting to end the two-party system. What will get you downvote is suggesting that both parties are equally responsible for this shitshow.

      Both parties need to go, both parties are not equal, and only 1 is a legit short-term threat to democracy. Phrasing and context matters, and if it comes out sounding like the “both sides” argument you’re gonna be downvoted.

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      11 months ago

      I get that both parties suck, but from my view we will never get enough critical mass to make those changes under conservative leadership. If you look at which politicians are fighting to open up rights of the people and freedom, our best move on the board lies with the progressives in the Democratic party.

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        11 months ago

        The problem is democrats still actively fight against the left flank while in power, which leads to a slow crumble/decline as they refuse to do anything to change the status quo too much. Which leads to stagnation and people being more susceptible to falling into far right facisim. Some do end up on the left when educated but few people spend enough time to actually learn about the issues and solutions to our problems to call out the right wingers.

        Its a hard call, in 2016 I didn’t vote because Hilary sucked and I thought that the US deserved Trump, and it sure did galvanize a lot of people, however Trump also did so much lasting damage, (supreme court, tax cuts for the wealthy/corpos, etc…)

        It fucking sucks but the democratic party has done absolutely fuck all to stem the tide, they need to get with the progressive populist program or it’s just going to keep getting worse.

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      11 months ago

      Did you ever notice that all the really dangerous legislation - Patriot act, restrict act, Iraq war resolution, et al, are always bipartisan? They’re keeping us distracted with culture war stuff while they work towards the same goals. Democrats exist to create the illusion of a better alternative.

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        11 months ago

        Almost all of those massively bipartisan bills like that involve classified information that builds support as meetings are held behind closed doors. As times has gone on, more and more information related to 9/11 has been declassified and talked about and the truth of the matter is there are a lot more real threats that are caught then we know about.

        I used to be fully on the side of these things being 100% wrong, but I’ve weakened that stance a bit in the twenty years since 9/11. I think we have to be more realistic about it. Look at how much people criticized the Bush Administration for not stopping it?

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      11 months ago

      I think my most downvoted comment here on Lemmy was about that exact thing! As an outsider to US, I can tell you that the system works much better.

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      11 months ago

      Here’s an unpopular opinion for you specifically; Doing any of that will be a waste of time and not fix any of the problems you lay out. You’d have much better results by doing the work at the local level influencing the democratic party. You think fighting the corporate elite is the problem, but it’s not. Third Parties have no organizational structure, no real test ideas, and often are just made up of failed Republicans or far-left individuals that have no idea or interest in governing. They are little more than organizations designed to sell books about how perfect their ideas that have never been realistically challenged are.

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        11 months ago

        Not like the democratic party routinely rigs elections against local lefty populists right? Sometimes even supporting or propping up an insane right wing candidate instead.

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          11 months ago

          No they don’t rig elections. People come out to vote and the winner wins. The party has no obligation to support or promote every candidate. If you get people to vote for you more than your opponent, you will win. AOC did it.

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              Why does it matter? Candidates can’t be coddled in the primaries. The general is going to be dirty, you gotta play the game.

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                11 months ago

                Why does it matter that the game is rigged against people wanting to improve our country by implementing progressive/socialist-adjacent policy?

                Think about it just a bit and you’d understand why it matters lmfao

                The people in power are the ones with money, and they have a vested interest in keeping that power and money to continue growing.

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                  11 months ago

                  The primaries aren’t rigged. If you convince enough people to vote for you, you win. Others have that very same right ti convince them not to vote for you.

                  You can say it’s not fair, but you cannot say it’s rigged. It’s false.

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                    11 months ago

                    When you control the MSM and have all the money in the world at your disposal to sink the other candidate with deceit, it’s almost as good as rigging it.

                    Sure it’s not literally rigged where people’s votes don’t matter but it’s literally right up to the line.

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      11 months ago

      We desperately need a third or multi party system

      So, instead of fixing the problem, you merely suggest adding a third element to it?