So, you believe that Ukraine should just give up and allow Russia to take whatever they want?
Also, forgive me because I think I’m misunderstanding the theme of this instance. Isn’t this an instance for right-wing, conservative, Republican discussions, or is it something else?
So, you believe that Ukraine should just give up and allow Russia to take whatever they want?
The situation is more complex than you’ll get from the media. Separatists in Donbas, an area with cultural ties to Russia, rose up after the old government was overthrown and the new government banned political parties and shut them out of the political process, and Ukraine signed a ceasefire which it then broke by shelling civilian targets. Even if Russia withdrew, it’s not clear that the fighting would cease.
In any case, Ukraine has been refusing to consider any concessions at all, which is just unrealistic at this point. They’ll either cede territory now or they’ll cede it in 5 years with a lot more dead bodies.
Also, forgive me because I think I’m misunderstanding the theme of this instance. Isn’t this an instance for right-wing, conservative, Republican discussions, or is it something else?
Russia has made it very clear since the beginning that they only had three conditions: denazification, Ukraine maintains its neutrality by not joining NATO, and the recognition of the sovereignty of the Donbass republics.
The refusal to accept these terms, which to be fair, was instigated and likely strongarmed by the West i.e. Boris Johnson, and the decision to follow NATO’s strategy of “fighting to the last Ukrainian” have only led to further unnecessary deaths and casualties, not to mention a completely ruined economy that will likely never recover for decades to come.
If you were a Ukrainian person Russia taking over your area would likely change things not at all. Likely it would improve your wages and working conditions. Should they be willing to get turned into soup to defend one their landlords houses? Obviously not. There in no honor in victory for them there.
So, you believe that Ukraine should just give up and allow Russia to take whatever they want?
Also, forgive me because I think I’m misunderstanding the theme of this instance. Isn’t this an instance for right-wing, conservative, Republican discussions, or is it something else?
The situation is more complex than you’ll get from the media. Separatists in Donbas, an area with cultural ties to Russia, rose up after the old government was overthrown and the new government banned political parties and shut them out of the political process, and Ukraine signed a ceasefire which it then broke by shelling civilian targets. Even if Russia withdrew, it’s not clear that the fighting would cease.
In any case, Ukraine has been refusing to consider any concessions at all, which is just unrealistic at this point. They’ll either cede territory now or they’ll cede it in 5 years with a lot more dead bodies.
Lol no we’re like actual communists here
Yes 😎 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_faction_(Spanish_Civil_War)
Russia has made it very clear since the beginning that they only had three conditions: denazification, Ukraine maintains its neutrality by not joining NATO, and the recognition of the sovereignty of the Donbass republics.
The refusal to accept these terms, which to be fair, was instigated and likely strongarmed by the West i.e. Boris Johnson, and the decision to follow NATO’s strategy of “fighting to the last Ukrainian” have only led to further unnecessary deaths and casualties, not to mention a completely ruined economy that will likely never recover for decades to come.
If you were a Ukrainian person Russia taking over your area would likely change things not at all. Likely it would improve your wages and working conditions. Should they be willing to get turned into soup to defend one their landlords houses? Obviously not. There in no honor in victory for them there.
Yeah. Ukraine should give up and respect the autonomy of the Russian speaking Ukrainians who don’t want to be wiped out by Galacian Nazis.