I, for one, definitely won’t be buying another Tesla as long as Naziboy Musk has anything to do with the company.
Its not OK to have an image like that in a news article. I don’t care if its obvious to most people. Its immoral to normalize fake news.
Untie that knot in your pants. Obvious doctored photos and illustrations for satirical purposes have been around forever.
It’s not fake news, it’s satire.
I mean, yeah, all time high. They’re gonna go down.
Said it dozens of times, Musk’s one and only true talent is, or rather was, pumping his stock value.
We done got smart, sumbitch!
What gives people the idea that Musk actually cares about Tesla stocks? His lifetime experience of failing upwards, perhaps?
What does Musk think Trump is going to do for him? Trump has said multiple times he wants to outright ban EVs and increase fuel production and sales. He hates public transportation, so he’s not going to support The Loop. He’s weirdly obsessed with space, sure, but Trump isn’t going to give him money for SpaceX. Is Musk looking for a cabinet position or something?
so he’s not going to support The Loop.
Neither does Musk, so same difference.
This is how Authoritarianism works. Trump will ban all EVs with the exception of ones made by his inner circle.
Yes, he already announced plans for a new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
I fucking hate this timeline
Of course he did, the greasy bastard.
Crazy to think about how supremely fucked up musk’s deepest core beliefs must truly be, working from a base of growing up in South Africa on the PRO Apartheid sideb with those broken psychopath parents. Like we see plenty from him, but he’s aware enough to not say the absolute worst of it out loud.
He’s the evil foreign born person they’re terrified of. He just ran over to their side so he could point outward to redirect the fingers he feared would point at him. Evil divorced coward
I wonder if errol musk and fred trump would have been bros. They certainly seem similar from what i have read about them both
It definitely affected me. In retrospect I’m glad I bought a different EV.
I don’t think Elon is wrong. I went back stateside this summer after being away since 2020, and there were Tesla cars everywhere. My daughter and I made a joke about seeing a cyber truck in the wild thinking it wouldn’t happen, and we ended up seeing 3 of them.
I think most people don’t care about politics, and just want a decent EV. There is an old Mark Twain quote about someone who doesn’t read the news being uninformed, while the person reading the news is misinformed. I think in todays day and age, ignorance is bliss and uninformed may be the smarter option for your long term health.
If you’re uninformed and it doesn’t affect you, congratulations. The system is working for you. Unfortunately, that’s not the case for everyone.
imo if you want a functioning democracy most people should be informed of the events happening around them
Which do you think? Useful idiot or foreign actor?
If Musk wasn’t with Tesla, I’d consider Tesla an option. And, I’m definitely in the market, my lease runs out in January. But with that idiot, nope. No chance. Doesn’t even have anything to do with Trump support. So I guess he’s right in a way?
Ioniq, or wait for the solid state battery packs in 2026. That’s my dilemma.
See, I was going to get an ioniq or a Kia. And then Amnesty International released a report that makes it clear just why they are priced so nicely: by exploiting people and the environment, and not caring.
Tesla is getting a very good result in that report (or, let’s say, as good as any EV maker gets). It’s a shame I can’t consider them.
Why not both?
Just the other day I saw a Tesla with a bumper sticker stating “I bought this before Elon went crazy.”
As a Tesla owner of 7 years, my next car will absolutely not be a Tesla and it is entirely because of Elon Musk.
I appreciate the company spurring competition to enter the market with EVs, but now I hope they crash and burn.
It sucks, where is the 2016 Musk. That dude seemed to really want to help the world.
Tesla was in a difficult position, but was really doing good things, SpaceX was just getting off the ground (pun intended), The Boring Company wasn’t a thing yet.
But post 2016, he just seems to get worse and worse, meme coins, weird birther shit…
I used to really want a Tesla, they seemed like a car for me, but now that I am getting close to being able to afford one…well no, I think I’ll probably get a polestar. Musk you went from what I would have called a visionary to a joke then kept sliding into actively dangerous. Shame really.
The fall from grace was both spectacular and stunning. I’ve never seen someone trash so much goodwill and in such a short time.
It sucks, where is the 2016 Musk. That dude seemed to really want to help the world
Knowing people who worked with him at the time, 2016 Musk was a PR illusion and nothing more. He’s literally always been a giant piece of shit, he just had much better handlers and was able to hide it a lot better so he could get all those sweet government subsidies and commit stock fraud. Literally everything he’s ever done has been in the name of gifting money from the government or shareholders in some form or another for personal enrichment. He’s never once cared about anyone other than himself.
Musk is now one of the wealthiest people in the world and our justice and financial system have made it clear he won’t be punished, so now he can be the same piece of shit he’s always been, just publicly, because it’s clear there will be basically zero repercussions.
I had a client in 2011 who had worked for tesla and said musk was a complete nightmare even then!
I’ve always told my friends and family that Musk needs a sassy black woman as a publicist and all communications should be filtered through her.
Whatever happens next month, I doubt Elon’s decision will age well. Even if Trump wins, I would be shocked if he doesn’t turn on Elon within a year.
This is the key takeaway, imo.
I’m still undecided on an electric car, mostly because modern cars are such privacy nightmares on wheel (not Tesla-specific).
But there’s one thing for sure: whatever car I get eventually won’t be a Tesla, and that’s 100% due to Musk’s misguided political gesticulations.
I’m one example of business lost forever to Tesla. One example doesn’t make a trend, but if there’s one, there are others.
I’m desperately hoping that conversations or conversion kits become more of a thing so I can keep my dumb car, but electrify it.
Cuz it’s either that or maybe wait till cars start getting jailbroken and open source operating systems (ugh) like phones and computers… Which absolutely shouldn’t have to be a thing. But here we are.
This is why I really want Aptera to succeed, but they aren’t getting enough funding.
The main reason I won’t buy tesla is Elon.
Secondly I want a “real” car with proper signalling leavers and tactile buttons for everything, in my opinion touch screens is a safety risk.
That’s the reason I settled for an EV with physical buttons and knobs, even if it’s an older model. No regrets.
On the safety issue, I have a personal pet theory that a lot of “sudden acceleration events” in Teslas come from the one pedal system they use for both gas and break.
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
What are you talking about? The brake pedal is still there in EV’s and it still does the same job. I’ve driven an EV for 3 years using OPD and not once have I ever forgotten that the brake exists.
That’s all EVs nowadays.
They all have regen so you barely ever brake in any of them.
Many of them also come to a complete stop without touching the brake as well. That’s not a Tesla only thing.
Edit: Oh also on a Tesla you used to be able to enable “creep” mode so it behaved like an ICE and wouldn’t come to a complete stop. The EPA changed the rules though and made it so you have to advertise the combined or lowest mileage though (can’t recall) of all features, and creep lowers mileage by a few miles due to not 100% regen, so Tesla nix’d the feature to not reduce their EPA range. New cars no longer have the feature, old cars still have it.
I don’t think you understand what one pedal driving means. You absolutely need to use the brakes on a regular basis.
With true one pedal driving you really only need to use the brakes for sudden braking. The car can come to a complete stop on its own when you take your foot off the accelerator, so if you planned your stop well, you don’t need the brakes. If you didn’t plan it well, then you use the brakes.
You could do entire shorter trips without using the brake.
The longer the trip the more likely something happens where you need it.
I’ve heard so much shit about Teslas now that even if they sold the company to Bernie Sanders I wouldn’t get one
Most of it is bollocks. The cars are actually fine. Only the moron-in-chief makes me want to sell mine.
Being trapped in a fire? Self igniting batteries? Stuck due to software updates? Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery? Body pieces not secure? Self driving is a lie? Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
Another Tesla owner here (2020 Model 3) who thinks Musk is an absolute tool bag, but the misinformation out there about the cars is just plain silly.
Being trapped in a fire?
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
Self igniting batteries?
There are far, far fewer EV battery fires per year than there are ICE fires, even adjusting per capita. Furthermore, Teslas have historically had the lowest rate of battery fires of any EV.
Stuck due to software updates?
Software updates never install automatically and you literally never have to sit and wait in the car for them. When a software update is available, you get a notification to schedule it both on the car’s screen itself and on your phone via the Tesla app. You don’t even have to touch the car to schedule or install the update from your phone. Additionally, if the concern is regarding getting in/out while an update is installing, the standard door handles work just fine throughout 95% of the update process, and the manual releases always work.
Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery?
What, to get in the car? That’s a valid criticism I suppose, but not at all unique to Teslas, and getting in won’t do you a lot of good with an “empty tank” anyway, especially if it’s dead to the point that even the 12V battery (which is responsible for the doors and most of the electronics other than the motors and HVAC) is fully drained. Either your 12V battery has to straight-up fail entirely or you have to leave the car sitting on 0% for weeks to months for this to happen. There are terminals to “jump” the car and access the frunk (and thus the 12V battery) without access to the inside of the car.
Body pieces not secure?
Build quality issues are not at all unique to Tesla, and occur with every manufacturer all the time. Except for the Cybertruck, nearly all of Tesla’s build quality issues were largely worked out years ago and are on the same level as other manufacturers.
Self driving is a lie?
My car literally drives me to and from work every day (40min one way) with very infrequent interventions or disengagements from me. Pretty convincing lie, if you ask me. While we’re not at level 3 autonomy yet, and Elon has hugely over promised and under delivered over the years, the tech is extremely impressive (especially given it’s 100% camera-based) and already pretty damn good (not always perfect) in most scenarios. It’s constantly being improved, too. I’ve gotten to personally experience the progress over the past 5ish years, and it feels like we’re getting pretty close. Whether it’s actually level 3+ soon, who knows. The future is hard to predict, especially with very new, experimental tech like this.
Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
100% valid, no argument from me.
getting in won’t do you a lot of good with an “empty tank” anyway,
Don’t tell me how I want to use my car. If I want to sit inside a dead car, that’s my decision.
But more seriously, there are valid reasons for wanting to get inside a dead car, including safety related ones.
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
I just want a car with actual door handles. That it has weird electric ones just shows that Tesla over-engineers for cool factor.
The Model 3 and Model Y have regular door handles.
All fair points, and the bad press might be one offs. No one ever wants to be the edge case though.
Their main issues are build quality and FSD that is marketed as way more capable than it is, which is a deadly combination.
My parents got an EV recently and whenever you start it up you have to hit OK to a data collection thing on the touch screen before it let’s you drive off 🥴
Sadly, most new cars are Internet connected nowadays, not just EV.
In fact, GM got caught selling customers data from their ICE cars (OnStar connected).
Not only did I opt out, verbally by calling OnStar from the car, I then removed the cell antenna (SparkEV), which works well in the rural areas where I live, not sure about a cellular-dense location, they can probably track pings now and then. So, if I get around to it I will look into disconnecting the cell module under the passenger seat.
Laughs in warming the carbs on my pre-2000s motorcycle while holding out the choke.
I genuinely do not give a shit what Elon Musk is doing or thinking or saying or fucking.
I can’t block electric vehicles, but then I realized I can block OP! Bye bye american politics
“I don’t care SO much that I’m going to leave a comment about how much I don’t care! Feel bad, OP! Someone didn’t like this post!”
I mean they’re also really shitty cars. As much as the muskrat as poisoned the image of the company, I think a lot of the loss and sales is due to other competitors having caught up and being higher quality.
Ai art finally getting some proper use here
No. Its not OK to normalize fake news
Off topic, but…
“AI art” isn’t a thing anymore than “motorsport” is: it’s not sport when you’re not the motor.
Okay fuck ai “art” but why you gotta do motorsport dirty, that shit requires skill, physical fitness, shitloads of practice, and raw talent
Oh, no question. It takes skills to drive a car well - particularly a race car. It probably requires you to be fit too. But you’re not doing the work: the car does.
I choose to draw the line of “sport” at physical performance, because if you start including fine motor skills and intelligence, then you have to include poker-playing, model-making and mathematics and then it becomes ridiculous. And I say that as a semi-professional pool player: whatever I’m doing when I’m shooting pool, it sure ain’t sport, despite my having to train and keep fit.
Similarly, I choose to draw the line of “art” as you doing the art. Asking an AI to come up with a picture, however skillful the prompt, clearly isn’t you making the art.
That’s my take. Feel free to disagree 🙂
Sport is literally any competitive game meant to entertain. Why do you think they use the term Esport? Sport comes from the same root as distract and deport (to get carried away) as in, a sport is entertainment.
Motorsport is absolutely a sport. It’s not just the driver either. Just like any sport, everybody’s got a job to do and the better they work together, the better the outcome. Id call pool a “skill based game”. You don’t have to be fit to be a top pool player, or darts, or bowling. You’re comparing being able to replicate good skill dozens of times over a period of 1-2 hours where motorsport is using your skills constantly over up to 12+ hours depending on the race. Some are over the course of days.
The cars aren’t driving themselves.
F1 drivers need to workout to be able to drive their cars with all the force it exerts on their bodies.
Also, pretty sure you need “fine motor skills and intelligence” in every sport.
I think saying “it takes skill” and “probably requires you to be fit” are contradictory to your point. I would also argue that billiards is technically a sport. Golf is technically a sport.
Is art about competition or is it the thing that is made?
