The Federation is helping a planet transition out of capitalism to post-scarcity, and it’s basically a huge celebration.
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There will never be good NuTrek
Old Trek always danced around it, but In Strange New Worlds there’s a roughly 3000 year old character in Starfleet who says “I still have a bunker in Vermont in case this ‘no money socialist utopia’ thing turns out to be a fad”
3000 year old fad lmao
I tried getting into Strange New Worlds but it just feels like generic nutrek. The same unnecessary constant violence, the same poorly-written incoherent arc for the main character, the same tired old prequel approach instead of being set sometime after the events of other series. It’s just more STD with some TOS paint slapped on top.
Unfortunately, I agree. The tipping point for me was the humour. I don’t like it and I don’t want it. It’s funny how I could be tolerant of cliche in many other types of entertainment, but cliche comedy very quickly turns me off.
That and the resurrection of ancient characters. It’s fan service (I learned this term watching reviews of SNW/picard and learned to hate it) and adds very little to the show. I’m much less interested in the interpersonal dramas, I want to see more (any) space communism and aspirational utopia progaganda.
It’s definitely nutrek but it’s halfway back to old trek in the format IMHO. Not just the paintjob but in the types of episodes they tend to do. Picard was unwatchable for me. “Hey nerd 'member the Enterprise D? 'Member??? Ok now fuck off”
Those two series, Picard and Lower Decks, are perfect case studies on how to handle nostalgia very badly and very well, respectively. In the future I will give a chance to any TV series or movie that the Lower Decks writers are involved with.
The TNG movies made me question if Patrick Stewart still truly understood his most famous character. The Picard series made me realize that he probably never did.
Best line of that whole series
Lower Decks is good.
The Richard and Mortimer look (and some of the first episode’s vibes) threw me off but I’m glad I stayed on board.
Okay I might actually have to give this show a chance
Especially by Season 2, you won’t regret it.
Spoiler-ish stuff
Speaking of season 2, I think I have a crush on both Ma’ah and T’lyn. Honour friends, slay enemies, study plants, and be Vulcan as a motherfucker.
I’ve always liked the theory that T’lyn’s Vulcan captain is her father. He’s looking out for her in his own Vulcan way in trying to help her fit in, but he also trusts her completely. I loved the little detail of T’lyn using her robe’s belt as a headband. She’s breaking her ship’s dress code and doesn’t care who knows, which is oddly familiar.
And Ma’ah and Mariner need to hook up. They understand each other’s culture and values, and they understand that the other isn’t at all a stereotype of their species.
I agree, but I strongly encourage an edit about that so a new viewer can go in fresh and find out for themselves.
It’s fantastic, it’s obviously made by people who deeply love and understand classic Trek, especially TNG. Only the animation style bears any resemblance to Rick and Morty, there’s none of its cynicism and punching-down. Lower Decks has so much heart.
The Richard and Mortimer look (and some of the first episode’s vibes) threw me off but I’m glad I stayed on board.
I think you’ve just convinced me to watch it because that’s exactly why I hadn’t watched it lmao
After a while I stopped noticing the look (and the lingering gimmicks/gags that fade away in favor of more Trek)
Lower Decks has been pretty dsmn amazing. I made a big gushing post in the mega. It’s the only newer trek that I think really gets it
It looks so fun, I might have to pick up LD!
Can confirm, Lower Decks good
Me playing Stellaris
This episode was overall amazing and the B and C plots were complimentary communist tho lower key (decks). I had a bad day and thought episode 1 made me hyped lower decks was back, 2 made my bad day a good day. This one reminded me big time why. It’s like getting a hug from space comrades. I’m gonna cry so much when this ends.
LD does the Trek bloomer thing better than any previous Trek, even TNG, which is why it’s my all time favorite Trek.
It’s in reaaaaaal close constest with tng for my 2 spot behind the unmoving ds9. The lack of episodes kinda makes the difference for me
Ds9 is falling in my estimation and has been for some time. It committed several grave sins, among them introducing latinum and section 31. It also has a strong dose of what @UlyssesT@hexbear.net might call “Adults In The Room Making Hard Choices”
I blocked that user prior to the fall, resurrection and sanctification and I’ll keep it that way. Introducing Latinum and Section 31 are ‘sins’ I guess if you’re a child who needs all their media to be didactic. Latinum is shown to only be valued by those who value it and those who don’t use it don’t seem any worse off, if anything better and section 31 was handled pretty well in ds9, later stuff may have done a bad job and it should have stayed in ds9 but that doesn’t fault the show itself. It’s got here and there issues but I kinda like that star fleet is shown fromsn outside perspective as kinda naive plant pompous jerks, cause they fucking are. I’ve got criticisms of the show but damn are they totally not the ones you have.
Not all media, but Star Trek specifically should be communist propaganda and any failure to be so is a failure to be good Star Trek.
Everything that is bad about the bad nutrek started with DS9.
Most star trek isn’t good communist propaganda. Ds9 has the bell riots and Bar Association as well as endorsing terrorism as a liberation tactic. Id say it’s a hell of a lot more communist propaganda than most of star trek. Do you want tng’a first Teo seasons? Cause that seems to be what you’re asking for here.
What I want is Lower Decks, unlimited Lower Decks.
“You’re a child if you dislike Rick Berman’s forced inclusions of money and dudebro war crimes apologia, because a sex pest that drove Terry Farrell off the show and killed her character because she didn’t tolerate her creeping on him is the Adult In The Room and disliking his slop inclusions is childish.”
Oh, I’m so blocked. If that user would stop proudly announcing that and bravely rehashing a tired old “u r child” personal attacks while blocking to avoid seeing responses, I wouldn’t mind at all.
I guess if you’re a child
Covert Rick Berman apologist detected. Even apologism for the latinum which was also Rick Berman’s “moneyless future is stupid actually” deliberate inclusion as far as he could get away with. How dare “children” criticize the inclusions from the “Adult In The Room” that creeped on Terry Farrell until he forced her to quit the show and killed off her character as punishment for not liking being creeped upon.
I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman. Every bad trend we see in nuTrek really did start with Berman Trek.
One of the many great things Lower Decks did was when Cerritos visited DS9 and Boimler extremely obviously just did not give a shit about latinum at all.
It checks out that Rick Berman also hated children and used “childish” and “children” to speak down to people he didn’t like. The fact that the Enterprise-D had children on board, including schools and such for them, enraged him because his war fixation didn’t have room for that.
Almost everyone that likes DS9 on the internet seems to chant “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” and that’s kind of sus to me. I’m not saying the episode was bad as much as it’s sus to be that excited about its “Adults In The Room” messaging.
The even worse example is “For the Uniform” where Sisko does a war crime specifically against anti-fascist guerillas. And most people I see talking about it, even here, defend his actions as necessary Adult In The Room Hard Choices.
I agree with you. I just hear more about “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” from the “you’re a child if you’re not enjoying Rick Berman’s Adults In The Room Making Hard Decisions” war crime apologia side of the fandom.
Also, I hate the diagetic essentialist “Thermian Argument” that just because the narration claims that atrocities were necessary that they were the only way that could have worked.
Final season only type of scene.
“But how will billionaires have godlike power over everyone else?!”
Based, fingers crossed we can live to see even the first gasps of that world emerge
