I’m a bit of a doomer when it comes to the potential of the American conservative movement to birth a violent revolution. Nothing Ever Happens Gang, take heed:
January 6th 2021 proved two things to me; first, there is latent revolutionary potential among the conservative bourgeoisie in America. They are willing to fight and die to bring about a utopian future being promised to them by QAnon, they just lack cohesion and a vanguard faction. The blackshirts are ready, they just need their Mussolini.
Second, it showed that the FBI and other agencies had a major blindspot for the MAGA conservatives, and weren’t embedded deep enough with them to pre-empt something like J6. There are a lot of theories that they must have known but just let it happen anyways to entrap people. But frankly when I see a situation that could be explained by the government having either godlike super-prescience 47D Chess skills as part of a trap, or by organisational incompetence like we saw with the Secret Service back in July in Butler-- I stick with ‘incompetence’. It’s a lot more
These two things create a perfect storm for the savvier and more prepared folks among the conservative movement. The General Flynns, the Ivan Raiklins, the Ammon and Ryan Bundys, the Dan Bonginos, and the Steve Bannons of the nation. People who want to see the current order completely overthrown, have connections throughout the right-wing media/‘intellectual’ worlds, and a willingness to either use violence or direct other people in using violence. All it takes is loose coordination between these kinds of people and the militia movements, and you’ve got the spark of something bigger beginning. A few attacks on key highways and parts of the electrical infrastructure, and they can create a huge shock across the continent that could have a ripple effect of inspiring the kinds of people who who weren’t at J6 but wish they were.
If Kamala wins, I fully expect Trump to try and use legal bullshit to try and overturn it, but the conservative bourgeoisie (who fully back him in that, but want to see blood, not lawsuits) might try to kick off a rebellion out west. If they fail, MAGA will say they were feds and forget it ever happened. If they succeed, they can help Trump pressure the Biden admin to relinquish power to Trump in order to avoid a civil war redux.
I don’t think they have any revolutionary potential. There are a large number of far-right people willing to do violence, but how many of them are willing to risk losing their lives or their businesses or their treats? They’re only willing to drive their trucks through crowds because they know there’s a good chance they’ll get away with it. They’re also incapable of organizing with their peers, they’ll only attend a meeting if they get to threaten the school board or whatever. They view discipline as an unjust imposition on their freedom.
They can do terrorism but can’t engage in sustained conflict, they’re basically like Israel settles but less capable and less unified.
But ultimately the US is declining into some kind of neo-fascism anyway. It doesn’t rely on their revolutionary potential, it’s just the logic of our ruling institutions.
January 6th 2021 proved two things to me; first, there is latent revolutionary potential among the conservative bourgeoisie in America
how can the conservative bourgeoisie rebel against themselves? they already run everything and have everything they want. they’re mad about culture war issues but that’s never going to be enough to get people to risk their lives in large enough numbers to lead to a “revolution.” i think they’ll accelerate the pace at which they take over the deep state and impose christo-fascism from above, but that doesn’t require anything like a revolution
Yes they run everything and have everything they want but do they know that? It is really hard to tell what revanchists actually believe and what they only say they believe. Political factions have made some incredibly weird, irrational choices in the past.
I think in this context its the desire to reclaim perceived losses, both material and social. Originally it was more in reference to reclaiming lost territory specifically? Basically just RETVRN fascists/MAGA types (in the literal sense)
I’m a bit of a doomer when it comes to the potential of the American conservative movement to birth a violent revolution. Nothing Ever Happens Gang, take heed:
January 6th 2021 proved two things to me; first, there is latent revolutionary potential among the conservative bourgeoisie in America. They are willing to fight and die to bring about a utopian future being promised to them by QAnon, they just lack cohesion and a vanguard faction. The blackshirts are ready, they just need their Mussolini.
Second, it showed that the FBI and other agencies had a major blindspot for the MAGA conservatives, and weren’t embedded deep enough with them to pre-empt something like J6. There are a lot of theories that they must have known but just let it happen anyways to entrap people. But frankly when I see a situation that could be explained by the government having either godlike super-prescience 47D Chess skills as part of a trap, or by organisational incompetence like we saw with the Secret Service back in July in Butler-- I stick with ‘incompetence’. It’s a lot more
These two things create a perfect storm for the savvier and more prepared folks among the conservative movement. The General Flynns, the Ivan Raiklins, the Ammon and Ryan Bundys, the Dan Bonginos, and the Steve Bannons of the nation. People who want to see the current order completely overthrown, have connections throughout the right-wing media/‘intellectual’ worlds, and a willingness to either use violence or direct other people in using violence. All it takes is loose coordination between these kinds of people and the militia movements, and you’ve got the spark of something bigger beginning. A few attacks on key highways and parts of the electrical infrastructure, and they can create a huge shock across the continent that could have a ripple effect of inspiring the kinds of people who who weren’t at J6 but wish they were.
If Kamala wins, I fully expect Trump to try and use legal bullshit to try and overturn it, but the conservative bourgeoisie (who fully back him in that, but want to see blood, not lawsuits) might try to kick off a rebellion out west. If they fail, MAGA will say they were feds and forget it ever happened. If they succeed, they can help Trump pressure the Biden admin to relinquish power to Trump in order to avoid a civil war redux.
I don’t think they have any revolutionary potential. There are a large number of far-right people willing to do violence, but how many of them are willing to risk losing their lives or their businesses or their treats? They’re only willing to drive their trucks through crowds because they know there’s a good chance they’ll get away with it. They’re also incapable of organizing with their peers, they’ll only attend a meeting if they get to threaten the school board or whatever. They view discipline as an unjust imposition on their freedom.
They can do terrorism but can’t engage in sustained conflict, they’re basically like Israel settles but less capable and less unified.
But ultimately the US is declining into some kind of neo-fascism anyway. It doesn’t rely on their revolutionary potential, it’s just the logic of our ruling institutions.
There were a few.
how can the conservative bourgeoisie rebel against themselves? they already run everything and have everything they want. they’re mad about culture war issues but that’s never going to be enough to get people to risk their lives in large enough numbers to lead to a “revolution.” i think they’ll accelerate the pace at which they take over the deep state and impose christo-fascism from above, but that doesn’t require anything like a revolution
Death to America
Yes they run everything and have everything they want but do they know that? It is really hard to tell what revanchists actually believe and what they only say they believe. Political factions have made some incredibly weird, irrational choices in the past.
I’ve not heard this word before, what’s it mean?
I think in this context its the desire to reclaim perceived losses, both material and social. Originally it was more in reference to reclaiming lost territory specifically? Basically just RETVRN fascists/MAGA types (in the literal sense)
half of the conservative bourgeoisie think the other half are baby-eating commie jew paedophiles