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    ignores core voter issues

    spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse

    Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off

    “Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise.”

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    Libs would rather cry for months about how they completely botched an election than do anything to stop a genocide.

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    I’m sure some of these strawman exist in a field somewhere keeping the crows away.

    Democrats need to get rid of First Past The Post voting in the blue states they control. Time to admit they need help and shouldn’t be going alone against the republicans

    More democracy. More chances to defeat the republicans. More people engaged and involved in the political process.
    More people voting = more votes for democrats. More chances of republicans electing a more moderate candidate.

    Electoral reform is an absolute win for the people of this country. Except for the legacy poltical parties. They will unfortunately have to compete for your vote. If they are unable to stay relevant, that’s on them for becoming weak and frail using FPTP as a crutch.

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      Sadly people voted against Ranked-Choice Voting in multiple states this year also, so good luck making any progress with regards to that…

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    Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

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      No, it’s the voters who are wrong. FPTP requires us to vote for people in favor of FPTP.

      I WAS going to do SO MUCH organizing this time… if Harris had bought us time. But alas, all strikes will go to Trump’s desk now so why even bother. /s

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          All the more reason to angle for approval voting instead. It’s much easier to explain to folks - you just pick everyone you’re OK with winning, and whoever gets the most votes wins. No spoiler effect since there’s nothing to spoil, dead simple to explain to folks, no moving votes around or instant runoffs or any of that, fully inclusive of third parties and already supported by the voting machines you already have.

          You only want Trump, just pick Trump. You want anyone outside the main parties, check every box except Harris and Trump. You want anyone but Trump, check every box but Trump. You just don’t want candidate in Russia’s pocket, check every box except Trump and Stein. Etc, etc.

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        It’s nice to see people discussing the voting system. Nows the time to talk about opening up the electoral system to 3rd parties right for sure.

        If you get the chance, swing by my ask lemmy post to discuss how you and the people of your state can pressure your leaders into implementing electoral reform.

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    I mean in all fairness we did tell them that exactly this would happen. It’s their open damn fault they, and the rest of us, now have to try and survive in the still-rotting corpse of democracy.

    Edit, add: Their self centered, short-sighted voting choice has screwed over everybody else along with them. I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves, whether through stupidity, logical fallacy, ignorance, emotional thinking, or (in the case of actual T supporters) actually believing blatantly stupid bullshit.

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      I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves

      It is not like you cared about the genocide when Biden was president. At least now the decorum is gone.

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      Hell, the only thing Harris voters have left is the bitter pleasure of watching the Trump voters and non-voters suffer with us. I will not extend an ounce of anything but schadenfreude their way for any bit of pain they feel as a consequence of their own actions.

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          Eh, never said I couldn’t wait, just that any sympathy I have is gone. Actions have consequences and I’m not gonna feel bad for people who face them and voted for them. Or earned them by not voting.

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          At some point, “They want to see us literally dead and we just want them to have healthcare” has to become, “Well, at least they’ll die, too.”

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        Twenty million people includes a majority of democrats. You did this to yourselves, and you did it to everyone else too. You’re scum, you’ve probably destroyed democracy, and when the republicans start their pogroms, I’m not going to shed tears for liberals. You got us into this mess, so you can do the dying.

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          Wow, you big mad. I certainly didn’t, and blaming liberals for electing Trump is maybe the stupidest way to shed your guilt you could’ve chosen lol

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            If there were 20 million leftists, you wouldn’t be able to laugh at us every election. This is your fault, whether you want to admit it or not. Democrats stayed home in record numbers, and failed the nation.

            The thing is, leftists are armed. Liberals are not. It’s not us who has to worry about nazis coming. We’re gonna look out for our queer and trans brothers and sisters, but you guys? You can have a front row seat to Gaetz weaponizing the DOJ and taking revenge on you for defying Trump. It’s gonna be a rough four years for you.

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    Lay it off with blaming people who are mad at Democrats about Gaza for Trump. Honestly, it’s tired, inaccurate, and wrong. Trump won the popular vote. The Dems ran a shitty campaign, they had no message, and failed to inspire 10 million of their previous voters.

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      20% of the population is functionally illiterate in any language, an no one could out simplify Trump’s simplified language, ‘I good, she bad’.

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        Hard pills for Dems to swallow: there is only one cure of Right Populism, and it’s Left Populism.

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          No, surely it’s more special interest and foreign funding. If they had gotten just a bit more money from AIPAC, they could have won!

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      You truly believe there’s nothing else at play? Being in the midst of a pandemic in 2020 had no part in voter turnout?

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        A lot of states expanded mail in voting. Probably removed a pretty large barrier of people who’d rather stay home than wait in line.

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          Sure, but unfortunately many people don’t care about elections unless it directly and immediately impacts them. A war or a pandemic would absolutely and invariably rally more people to want change than adding little conveniences like mail ballots.

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      Why? That category of people objectively exists and that category of people objectively chose this and that category of people objectively made an illogical decision against their own interests. Nowhere in the meme is it saying “all voters are in this category”, it’s simply indicating this category of voter exists which is objectively true.

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        Why?

        Because it absolves the Democratic Party of its responsibility. They said this election was about preserving democracy. Then they didn’t do EVERYTHING THEY COULD to get every last person hyped to vote for them. Instead, they complacently chose to ignore the legitimate concerns of a whole number of constituencies. They offered nothing to counter Right Populism. No grand vision, nothing to inspire anyone. They even leashed Walz, for fuck’s sake. They let Trump waltz around in Michigan pandering to muslims while either doing fuck all or kicking their own muslim democratic leaders out of their rallies. The. Democrats. Fucked. Up. Stop blaming the voters, blame the Democrats. Otherwise, if your country has fair elections in 4 years, you’ll have the same fucking problem all over again.

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        With a more representative electoral system, these people you wish to suffer because you dislike them would be able to vote for a political party that best represents them while still counting their vote against the republicans.

        Why are you okay with your fellow country men/women/and more being under represented by First-past-the-post voting?

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    I’m never voting Democrat again. You had 13 months to stop the genocide but you didn’t, allowing it to be passed on to Trump.

    Trump says the quiet part out loud. But we have Biden recorded privately saying he’d kill Arab women and children all the way back in 1982. His unconditional support of the genocide proves he hasn’t changed since.

    We didn’t vote for Harris because we knew you weren’t going to pushback on the genocide with her as president just like you didn’t when Biden was president. Now you’re blaming us for Trump despite that all Arab and Muslim American voters still won’t give Harris the 10 million votes she needs to win the popular vote let alone the electoral college.

    Edit 1:

    I voted for Jill Stein. Voting for Trump sends the wrong message since he too is pro-genocide.

    Edit 2:

    If you opposed the genocide you really had no option but to vote for Jill Stein and/or Claudia De la Cruz. Voting Democratic sends the message that the genocide doesn’t affect how you vote and you don’t care if it continues. Voting Republican sends a similar message since they are openly pro-genocide and actually take the Bible’s apocalyptic ending literally. Staying at home doesn’t work either, because if you can’t be bothered to voice your opposition to genocide then future candidates won’t bother to listen.

    From the first month it was clear to me that the genocide will continue no matter who wins. It was clear neither party nor core base of voters care about it. If neither party nor base sees us as humans worthy of empathy, you can’t act entitled to our human-animal votes. We already knew Republicans saw us as animals with no regard to our lives. But to find out that all along the Democrats saw us at best indoor pets and are more than happy to send us to a farm upstate.

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    And no, I am not afraid nor care what comes next. I can’t imagine anything worse than genocide and I am not in any way better than a Gazan. If they can lose their livelihoods and lives abruptly and unfairly, I don’t see why I should be spared. I’d rather take the chance no matter how small and vote for ending the genocide rather than to just save myself/group.

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      In a political landscape where winner takes all, there will only ever be 2 optimal choices.

      Saying you will never vote Democrat again will only ever boost their opponents.

      In this case, the Republicans.

      Want me to list all the genocide shit they have ever said?

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      A lot of words to say you did not vote against obvious fascists.

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      Congratulations, you fell for ALL of the BS.

      And now we all get to reap the rewards.

      This right here is why democratic countries desperately need to reform their formal education systems to shift the focus on epistemics, logic and information literacy. We need to equip citizens with the skills neccessary to navigate an incredibly toxic and propaganda-filled info environment.

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    A very tiny majority of people think of Gaza in the voting booth.

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      A solid chunk of gen z sat out for this reason bc dumbass shit they saw on tiktok

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          I mean shit that’s been happening through every administration that Russia decided to use as a wedge issue for liberals and morons ate it up as something Biden and Kamala were responsible for.

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        blaming everyone but Harris/Biden for Harris/Bidens choice and a badly out of touch campaign.

        You centrists just cannot accept reality and refuse to introspect. Seems like you will try the exact same thing if dems ever return to power. Its miserable being in a coalition with you losers.

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          They could have literally never campaigned on anything and voting for them against trump would still be the only moral choice, so your attempts to blame them for the moral failings of the 10m who sat this one out…totally insane.

          You seem like a “don’t blame me I voted for Nader” type of oblivious.

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            Funny you bring up Nader. You’re basically admitting the democrats understood the flaws of the voting system and did nothing to fix the issue.

            The democrats preferred trump and losing power over having to compete for your vote against 3rd parties on a level playing field. Almost 30 years of inaction on First Past the Post voting? Unforgiveable.

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    There isn’t 20 million pro-Palestinian people in the US. You liberals don’t want to admit it, but it was YOU who stayed home on Election Day. You made all that fuss about us needing to elect your YASS QUEEN SLAY corporate-funded DEI “hashtag ally” plutocrat, then didn’t even have the decency to get off your fat fucking asses, and skip brunch and your wine break for one fucking day to actually do your civic duty and vote.

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    we are simultaneously a small amd pathetic minority, but also able to swing a major election on a major country. just pick one already.

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      I mean, honestly, I don’t think people protesting Democrats because of the genocide were what caused Dems to lose. I honestly believe it was because the Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires. That being said, anyone who voted for trump thinking he’d be better is an absolute fool.

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        It may have been a factor in Michigan. Their are about 300 Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan, an estimated 200K of which are registered to vote, and Uncommitted vote had about 100K votes in the primary, which is less than Trump’s margin of victory. There’s going to be a lot of nuance examining how the anti-Genocide voters might have affected the electoral map, and I’m not sure we’ll ever get a straight answer.

        It doesn’t matter to people who share these memes, though. They don’t like looking at the numbers. In their head, they have an image of a young, entitled white kid with a Genocide Joe sign who just wouldn’t listen to reason. An analysis would probably show that person is more likely to be Arab or Muslim with close ties to the Palestinian community, and that knowledge would make them uncomfortable.

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        Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires.

        Agreed. It’s why the number of people who just didn’t vote dwarfs the number of people who switched parties.

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      5 million is a small minority in a country of 300 million.

      5 million votes means a lot when it’s a close election.

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        Sounds like the Dems should have pandered better to them then. They had a billion dollars to find out what marginal vote block would give them the edge.

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        Even if Dems won Michigan, they still lost Georgia and Pennsylvania. 5 million votes is a lot, but where those votes come from matter in our system

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        Progressives are 8% of the voting population. So they are more like 27 million voters.

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      Libs would rather make fun of their genocide that they’re funding than resist it.

      That’s literally why nobody votes for y’all creeps.

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      Why should we accept genocide as normal? I don’t get it? Is it because it is happening to Arabs?

      At least now we know many Democratic voters are just as racist as Republican voters just tacit about it

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      Kinda low bar to clear. The fact she didn’t screwed her.

      Don’t have to be perfect, just good enough, and she couldn’t even do that.

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      Imagine unironically making this meme. I envy the history students in 2138 who get to study this crap and scratch their heads

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          How cute to think this is the first authoritarian racist president. You should check out the rest of USA history sometime.

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          Those 20 million people who sat by were democrats. But sitting by while facism rises is kinda your thing, isn’t it? Too bad you can’t hand-wring your way into a better union, huh?

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          The history is already set. The dems ran a mediocre campaign after the sitting president flubbed a debate and lied about his physical ailments. It was a campaign so out of touch with voters that they lost the entire government.

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          Look at this genocide enthusiast. Nah, if the Democrats are going to support Israel unconditionally they deserve to lose. If saving the US means that the US will continue supporting Israel then better if the US is unsaved. I voted for Jill Stein and don’t regret it, but I still regret voting for genocide Joe in 2020.

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          I’m pretty sure the anti-genocide people were the ones violently confronting Nazis four years ago while the Democratic mainstream said that wasnt the right way to do things.

          Probably lots of overlap with the people who blockaded and flooded airports and courts to stop the Muslim ban.

          Probably closely related to the people who put their bodies on the line and blockaded ICE detention facilities.

          I’d bet they were involved in organizing the BLM protests too.

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            Nah, man.

            The real Antifa are the ones brunching and quietly judging while they sip their mimosas.

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              I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

              MLKJ, “Letter from Birmingham Jail”

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                You remind me of the MAGoos who only quote Martin’s line about judging people on the character and not the color of their skin. Using that letter ignores the fact that the letter was written before the Liberals passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

                Harris lost and Trump is getting ready to nuke Gaza. Maybe it’s time for you to reassess your plans.

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                  You mean the voting rights act that was gutted by the supreme court while liberals just watched?

                  Did they expand the supreme court? pass ethics legislation? add term limits? use the same dirty tactics the Republicans use? censure Synema and Manchin for being republicans?

                  They sure didn’t. But the Republicans sure made sure Liz Cheney knew she wasn’t welcome in the party anymore.

                  Seeing how this is the 2nd time in a decade that moderate liberals have lost an election due to their lack of widespread support, maybe it’s time to reconsider their appeal to the increasingly hypothetical “average” American and listen to the base.

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                  I’m arguing that we should be working in and with working class communities to tangibly improve their material conditions and you’re comparing me to a MAGA?

                  That’s some weird dissonance.

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        Imagine not understanding first past the post elections and harm reduction.

        The people of Palestine asked us to vote against Trump. But they’re not worth listening to. They’re not even real.

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          There is no harm reduction. Kamala didn’t support a cease fire, and she refused to stop the flow of weapons or support. The choices were killing kids fast, or killing them slowly. You don’t get to act self righteous, like there’s a more moral choice there.

          Democrats are baby killers.

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            Yes. It’s not a problem for her.

            But your question makes me think you don’t… FPTP benefits the two major parties. It’s completely illogical to think they would not like it.

            Or did you mean that she should’ve lied about her real opinion on order to get more votes?

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    None of them voted for Trump. You can look at the voting numbers. Trump’s numbers are pretty much in line with what he got in 2020. He didn’t gain votes she lost them. People stayed home.

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        At a certain point Democrats are going to have to remember that they can’t just rely on the other side being worse. If you don’t sell yourself to your voters if you don’t give them a reason to vote for you then you’re going to keep losing. They act entitled to everyone’s votes. Entitlement is a big problem when it comes to Democrats. People didn’t respond to them saying it was Hillary’s turn. People didn’t seem to respond to them saying it was Harris’s turn. Democrats don’t seem to like democracy. They claim to, but when it comes time to participating democracy they’re not big fans.

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          I mean, it works with the Republican campaign, why didn’t work for the Democrats campaign? Literally, Trump spent most of his campaign demonizing the other side.

          That’s what irks me about the “Harris lost because she ran a terrible campaign” argument. The reality is, Trump ran a far worse campaign. In the final months, the dude was up on stage saying stuff that made medical physicians think he was mentally declining. The guy wasn’t forming sentences, and he was talking about the size of some dudes dick.

          We have all of these people trying to explain Harris’s failure without also recognizing the campaign that Trump ran. This is not a genuine way of analyzing the results of this election. The reality is Harris’s campaign had some blunders, but the Trump campaign had far more major blunders in comparison; but he still won. I would like to know how that happened…

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            You missed the Crux of what I said. You have to earn their votes. You have to give them what they want. That’s what Republican voters want. They want the hatred. Of course that won’t work on Democrats or leftists. If it did they’d be Republicans. What appears to be a blunder to one side is a victory to the other. If the Cheney’s had stood up there with Trump and praised him Republicans would have loved it, for the other side it made our skin crawl.

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          At a certain point Democrats are going to have to remember that they can’t just rely on the other side being worse.

          If this election didn’t wake them the fuck up, then nothing will. I’m not expecting anything to change though. It’s going to be the same every election because they refuse to make a meaningful change.

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          Democrats don’t seem to like democracy. Voters don’t care about democracy. Republicans actually hate democracy.

          Why do we follow democracy again? Let’s just give Trump endless terms, once and for all.

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            I think voters realize that this isn’t a “democracy” in any meaningful sense. What’s the point of even voting outside of a swing state? The whole system is a con created so slave masters can stay in power.

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          I don’t think we really need to concern ourselves with such trivial things as what the Democrats should do next time.

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          Yeah, about that ship that you think hasn’t sailed yet…

          There’s not going to be a next election for you, kitties.

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      Drag has not confirmed this rumour, but has heard that Trump got less votes in solid states and more votes in swing states. Apparently it was a lower turnout election in all categories except for Trump voters in swing states.

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    I am not convinced any significant number of people voted for Trump because they supported Palestine. Feels like a massive straw man meant to stoke divisions in the left.

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      No, they didn’t, but I think a lot of people didn’t vote for Harris who otherwise would have

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        Quite possibly but I think that has as much if not more to do with Harris massively failing to be the exciting not completely pro-establishment candidate we needed.

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          “I’m sorry. It was between literally the man who will destroy the country and told us as much and someone just not exciting enough. Gotta do better, Dems.”

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            Why would the democrats not do everything in their power to defeat the republicans? This includes giving equal access to the electoral system to 3rd parties. This is a existential threat, act like it! Bring in everybody, let’s fucking all work on this together!

            Democrats preferred the country to be destroyed over having to compete for your vote. Party over country at the highest level possible.

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            This isn’t helpful, I never said they were smart or correct, I said I understand how we ended up here and I sympathize with people who are suffering and angry and very ignorant and susceptible to propaganda. The DNC didn’t fail at being objectively better, they failed at making people feel heard and convinced that there would be hope of real systemic change and not just roughly what we have had for the past 20-30 years.

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      They didn’t vote for Trump - they misunderstood the system that was in place.

      Republican citizen groups have been going over the rolls in key states and removing by challenge registered Democrats who had any small errors on their registration sowing confusion and making otherwise eligible people ineligible.

      Republican resources were used to amplify third party candidates who never had a hope of success due to the nature of construction of the system to create spoiler effects. If you thought Jill Stein was a real electable option you can look back at prior elections.

      The concept of moral abstention from this election removed people who otherwise would have voted Democrat as the lesser of two possible evils from the system.

      Basically since First past the post is a winner take all system Even if 70 percent of the public hates the Republican platform all they have to do is win a majority voting share, that doesn’t mean they have to win your vote. They just have to mean that they have to remove your vote from supporting their main competition. They can do that via sowing apathy or divison or by changing the structure of the voting process through gerrymandering and other tactics that any dedicated volunteer can do if they are willing to slog under the assumption that what they are doing is ethically sound “payback”. The fact is that these voting systems do not support the will of a majority and both established parties have benefited from that historically… But Republicans stopped playing by the rules awhile ago and they are marketing masters.

      Since Republicans have basically outlined their goals to destroy the checks and balances of the system of government basically all they needed was to keep up the ruse that the system somehow rewards people who act outside of the two party choice the system was designed to deliver. Democrats, hoping to play the long game couldn’t out the system they have benefitted from as being a rigged game if they wanted it to continue … So anything but a vote for a Democratic candidate was basically automatically an increase in share to the Republicans by virtue of subtraction hence why a lot of us are unhappy…particularly those of us who tried to explain this shit beforehand and were told we were scum for supporting genocidal regimes. I don’t like Democrats but they at least support the Laissez-faire systems that allow leftists to utilize their power as private citizens to support foreign intervention. I don’t give a snowball’s chance in hell that the support people have managed to give Palestinian interests thusfar will be able to continue at all under the Republicans.

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        If you are concerned with 3rd party voters, then you should be working on replacing First-past-the-post voting where you live. People should have their vote counted even if their preference didn’t win. Everyone should be represented by their choices in the voting booth. People shouldn’t have to strategicly vote.

        You clearly understand the flaws of the voting system, time to put it to good use.

        I hope you swing by my ask lemmy post to discuss your recent commitment to passing electoral reform in your state.

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          I mean, I am Canadian and have been writing my MPs for literally years now and doing what rabble rousing I can but it really is a ridiculously hard system to crack. It was everybody’s election promise 10 years ago back when Trudeau was first elected and I am a part of a group of people whose rage has been simmering like the surface of the sun for decades.

          Getting people to actually UNDERSTAND first past the post as a systemic weakness it is and to buy into electoral reform is grassroots hell. One thing you have going for you is that essentially the entire system is breaking down and is cause for immediate genuine alarm which if you do this right should light a fire under your asses to actually march and DEMAND change.

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        3rd party didn’t amount to shit. It’s the lack of a campaign that has any messages other than “vote us or you’ll get Hitler” and “we’re Republican Lite, the reasonable racist”. It’s the chasing of a handful of Republican voters which didn’t amount to shit instead of coming up with popular progressive points that are simple and effective.

        50k for a home loan if you’ve been a good boy is weak. Pro military shit is exhausting. Doing nothing on Gaza was unpopular, but hey AIPAC loves it. Saying you won’t do anything different from Biden was sweet and touching for Old Joe, but a horrible idea to win an election where he’s been unpopular.

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          Honestly… You were voting for a Hitler that would destroy protections and target vulnerable people on your home soil as scapegoats or a group who can be counted on at least to uphold the freedoms you and vulnerable groups have as a citizen on paper. Those were the only two choices you had. You can rail about how sub par your choice was but in the end you had two… and you didn’t fear the one you needed to enough in my opinion.

          You can continue to beat your fists about how shit the Democrats were but if you wanted more options then that was not your moment to demand them. As one who is LGBTQIA+ in Canada with a lot of American friends I know so many people who are now scared for their lives and livelyhoods who are abandoning marriage plans in favour of courthouse weddings and are scrambling to try and get visas. I know the realities of them finding long term safety here is a shit shoot and I am trying to do what I can. I am seeing the cost of people I know upending their lives because they no longer feel safe. I was here for months beforehand listening to so many people looking at this two choice system and treating the election like a game of chicken. I am so personally angry because so many of you might as well have said “Well that’s a rainbow colored sacrifice I’m willing to make.”

          I might not be the one to try and justify how Democrats were not good enough for you because that wasn’t the question you were being asked.